Posted on 07/14/2015 5:15:41 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
You can’t tell me I’m wrong without judging me, the very thing you condemn.
There’s a word for that.
Hypocrisy comes to mind.
Nonsense. A sinful priest can still administer the Host.
Would the pope receive, let alone keep, a Fascist, racist, or Nazi sculpture with a crucified Christ on it? Of course not. Yet the hammer and sickle represents more human suffering than all of them combined. The number of people enslaved and murdered under the hammer and sickle dwarfs the number of people enslaved and murdered by any other doctrine in history.
I have nutty ideas? Hey, that’s getting personal; your post oughta be removed.
Sorry, the Church has a long tradition of intellectual discussion and debate. You must know that because you’re on these posts day and night. Some of that I see as a continuation of the Jewish tradition of discussion and debate (and debate and debate).
Mat 7:1 Judge not, that you may not be judged.
On the surface it would appear that this says we should never make a judgment. Yet in other places we are told this: 1Th 5:21 prove all things; hold fast that which is good;
Mat 7:2 For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged: and with what measure you mete, it shall be measured to you again.This is the part many people leave out. What ever metric I use to assess another I must expect to have the exact same metric used on me.
Mat 7:3 And why seest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye; and seest not the beam that is in thy own eye? This is the other verse that people like to throw out with out thinking about the interior consequence. Socrates put it this way: ὁ δὲ ἀνεξέταστος βίος οὐ βιωτὸς ἀνθρώπῳ (The unexamined life is not worth living for a human being.)This can be take at least two ways:
1) Have I examined my own life have I judged my own actions, my own thoughts? Have I examined my conscience?
The second is just as important.
2) Have I allowed others to stand in judgment of me? Is there someone or some group I trust enough to sit in judgment of what I have done or what I believe?
Do I surround myself with people that challenge me, or am I surrounded by sycophants that march in mental lockstep with me?
We must have people in our life that love and care for us enough to challenge us.
Pro 27:17 Iron sharpeneth iron, so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.
So.... Are Catholics OK then with a priest serving them communion after he had been molesting boys the night before?
If the parishioner had molested boys after confession and before communion, would that not be considered mortal sin? And would he then not technically be prohibited from taking communion?
Then why would it be acceptable for a priest to be exempt and allowed to consecrate the host and serve communion? I wonder what Jesus thinks about that? Being called down from heaven into the host by hands lifted up that had been engaging in such henous sin?
The chance that a recipient would know that a priest had committed a sin prior to receiving would probably be very low to impossible to know. All I am saying is that I can still receive Communion from him - it does not negate the priest’s ability to advance the miracle of Holy Communion.
A priest not in the state of grace cannot receive Communion - you either know this or refuse to accept this so I don’t think we need to discuss this any further.
I did not say he could not...did you read the canon?
IT SAYS the INTENTION not sin ...
I love your sense of ironic humor.
Also, I have NEVER MET any Christian who thinks Scripture is a "book of laws." Never.
Most of the Christians I know divide Scripture into these categories: Law, History, Poetry, Prophesy (major & minor), Gospels, Epistles, and Prophesy (again).
You really should meet more people.
"Qualifications of church leaders and what should be done when Catholics priests are "bad men."
You did not address the subject and you did not address my challenge.
Ummmm so sin only counts if the "recipient " knows about it..
Your point makes no sense. Who do you take Communion from? Is he a sinner? Do you question him before you take the piece of bread?
Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
And yet Catholics allow them to be their leaders.
Are you ok knowing that your minister who may be serving you Communion is a molester? He may be, you know.
I wouldn't step foot in any "church" if I even suspected the minister was a molester. I wouldn't step foot in a "church" belonging to a denomination that allowed a molester to continue as a pastor even if it was not in the local church. Can you say the same?
Don’t move the goalposts.
Priests are said to be able to call Christ down and confect Him in the eucharist.
Non-Catholics do NOT make that claim of their ministers, nor do our pastors handle the elements and lay them on our tongue.
Nor did you answer the question.
Why is it OK for a priest in mortal sin to serve communion but the laity in mortal sin not be able to receive it?
The Church knew about many of these men and did nothing more than move them around to protect them and endanger more children.
The church is therefore culpable in those crimes.
And they still let the priest serve communion but forbade a parishioner with mortal sin in his life to receive it.
It’s called a double standard. ie. HYPOCRISY.
Maybe Malachi was right. Maybe this is Peter the Roman.
You truly make no sense. And I notice you refuse to answer whether your minister or layman who gives you a little piece of Wonder Bread is a sinner or not. How do you know he’s not diddling little boys?
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