Posted on 06/19/2015 10:00:17 AM PDT by don-o
“Why would a St. Louis, MO association set up a national conference in Waco, TX?”
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I went to their website and Texas is definitely NOT among the states represented in their association:
“The states represented by the MWOMGIA are Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsin, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Iowa, Missouri, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Oklahoma and Ohio.”
So I wonder who in the Obama regime suggested Waco to this group.
And the motto of the Midwest Outlaw Motorcycle Gang Investigators Association (MWOMGIA) is “From the Inside — Combatting Biker Gangs”. I wonder if MWOMGIA had some associates “inside” the biker groups meeting at Twin Peaks. I wonder if their mission was to INSTIGATE an incident (”Never let a crisis go to waste”) which the BATF and its compliant local Waco LEOs could exploit? That could explain (i.e., be the TRUE explanation) of their massive prepositioning at Twin Peaks.
Dude, I know you can’t raise your native IQ from its current low level...but try to work on your reading comprehension.
Reread post #78 and TRY to comprehend its meaning. You stated “Dude ... The bikers started the shooting, not the cops.” And I simply asked you to post a link to evidence (you know...thing such as video from security cameras, patrol car cameras, individual cell phone cameras and stand alone “SWAT Team” videos) proving that assertion. Try again...you’ve failed once again...which you no doubt have been doing all your life I imagine”.
In any case, if an undercover “biker” fired the first shot ... and then happened to be killed in the melee ...
He would have to prove the bikers were shooting at the cops as well or the cops shot only those who had a gun in their hands. All 27 of them. It would not be enough for there to be a single person with a brandished gun to justify the shooting of 27 people. Even using a twisted version of the law; when does it go from justifiable homicide to murder and attempted murder. The law gives the police a lot of leeway but it doesn’t give them a license to kill. That’s only the 007 movies or obummers drone program.
I don’t bother responding to TG directly anymore thanks to the Killlist app that blocks him and a few other trolls from my view. :)
dude, eyewitness accounts are evidence
All you can do is shake your head quit while you're ahead! {^)
Don-o, the cops sitting in their cars ... what were they doing there in the first place? With six marked cars on the scene, past which the motoring Bandidos rode on their way to the "shootout" that apparently "everyone" knew was coming, only moments before they "skinned those smokewagons" and went to town? Flat-footed cops at best. The result was the financial ruin of who knows how many decent Americans whose only crime was being there, dressed a legal way on a legal vehicle in a public place.
The first successful step had been made toward conditioning Americans to tolerate the criminalization of Harley riders in America. Police forces and media are together conditioning people to accept it, or at least they're trying to.
And one FReeper who is such a let-down ... says the story is becoming a non-story because "cooler heads" have prevailed. When America has FRiends like that ...
“The states represented by the MWOMGIA are Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsin, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Iowa, Missouri, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Oklahoma and Ohio.”
So I wonder who in the Obama regime suggested Waco to this group.
And the motto of the Midwest Outlaw Motorcycle Gang Investigators Association (MWOMGIA) is “From the Inside — Combatting Biker Gangs”. I wonder if MWOMGIA had some associates “inside” the biker groups meeting at Twin Peaks. I wonder if their mission was to INSTIGATE an incident (”Never let a crisis go to waste”) which the BATF and its compliant local Waco LEOs could exploit? That could explain (i.e., be the TRUE explanation) of their massive prepositioning at Twin Peaks.
And THIS "gang expert" entity of which Texas isn't even a member, is the sole source in every story and every report, as far as I can discern, that the Cossacks are a "criminal gang," that they were "uninvited" by the Bandidos ...
... that's uninvited to a publicized meeting for biker clubs and independents of all types in a public restaurant -- hardcore biker drama at high noon Sunday in front of half a dozen cop cars ... really? Meanwhile, guys like Matt Clendennen, a good guy and probably a 2nd amendment rights kind of guy, have their personal, professional, and financial lives permanently and severely harmed.
It's too late now. The damage has been done to these individuals, and it is known that the media will play along beautifully, and a segment of the public will drink it up at least long enough in any like scenario, at least long enough to do hard damage to "domestic enemies" without due process.
I agree major damage done and people do not even realize it. This is way past he said she said. America is in deep stuff and the majority do not even realize it. Even so come quickly Lord Jesus.
So the gang of gangs is going to talk about other "gangs".
The majority of those which LEO gangsters said were members of "gangs"--- were part of clubs, which were (and still are) not "gangs", even by the ultimate gang-of-gangs LEO estimation of "gangs" --- until after they were arrested.
When will these lawless bastards begin to arrest each other, I do wonder? Is there not enough honest men among them to see that they themselves, in a handful of ways, regardless of what anyone else did (or did not do) are seriously out-of-order?
Oh wait ---- police "careers" may be on the line (don't rock the LEO boat if you know what's good for you!) so anything which could conflict with Command and Control Whatever WE Say, well then, forget it.
All must yield, get down now-now-now. On your FACE, peon!
Meanwhile;
Tango Blast, Texas Syndicate, Texas Mexican Mafia, Latin Kings (from Chicago) MS 13, Sureños 13, Sinaloa cartel, Crips & Bloods ----every single one of those more criminally active than the worst among the Bandidos, are maybe breathing sighs of relief at all the attention they are not getting at the moment?
While white-bread work-a-day joes who are club members of "Scimitars" and/or Cossacks, both organizations which are generally not known for being "organized crime", or to operate as criminal "gang", may still be sitting in jail a month later?
Even those who were cut loose on reduced bail (like--- only a quarter-million $$$ instead of a full cool million $$$) were held for the better part of three weeks was it? Only two weeks, for some of them? Not counting some isolated exceptions who were released a *little* earlier perhaps.
Exercise your rights (including those protected under the 5th Amendment-- to not answer every single question ---which police who have just overcharged you, and set your bail at $1,000,000 ask, while trying to dig out more info to possibly twist into mouthfuls of prosecuting attorney accusation) and lose the rest of whatever rights you once had as an American citizen, or have those so seriously eroded, in effect denied --- there may as well not be "rights" ----- if one is part of a group which was attacked by Bandidos (and has had some of their own members recently murdered by Bandidos).
I guess defending one's own self is against the law now, unless you're a policeman who is scared of an unarmed golden retriever on a leash in someone's backyard. Hey, then it's ok to shoot back --- even if the dog wasn't shooting first.
But get shot at by Bandidos...if there are police around (like---LOTS and LOTS of police, armed with rifles, no less), and what do the police do?
SHoot at you, maybe kill you, then arrest all the survivors, pretty much regardless of whatever.
177 arrested...while at least some of those who were doing the shooting (or were shooting back when fired upon -- which IS LEGAL --- a man can fight crime and SHOOT BACK, dammit!) are dead, and so couldn't be taken under arrest unless the police REALLY wanted to make themselves look more the asses than they can generally be (and will be, absolutely, if & whenever no one checks/limits/restricts their power).
Gang meeting in Waco. A good time had by all...
Did anyone strain themselves patting themselves on the back?
Hey, they could put in for "medical disability" early retirement!
Ganging up to gang talk... from a distance I smell an odor of fresh, still baking $bread$ wafting over aroma of bacon simmering...
More equipment! Military tacti-Cool! More power, more-more-more.
As one commenter said on another forum: "Face it, kids, the party is over. The war is on."
That's one war I'm going to keep ducking away from.
(careful what you say, someone may misconstrue it)
I refuse to participate if it comes to irrational bang-bang. That sort of thing would not help.
But I will sound off about the need to oppose unbridled exercise of goobermint power, as long as I can still do that.
What impressed me most deeply in what you wrote: While white-bread work-a-day joes who are club members of "Scimitars" and/or Cossacks, both organizations which are generally not known for being "organized crime", or to operate as criminal "gang", may still be sitting in jail a month later?
That is the crux of the whole thing. It looks to me like some Texans, a range of Harley mates, maybe not angels but decent guys, maybe a little shady, maybe with a few DUIs or weapons "crimes" among them, want to belong together in a club and ride in Texas with a certain patch on their vests, for which Bandidos chase them down and harass them. The police won't stop the Bandidos, so ... isn't this a free country? Doesn't a group of guys have that right? Yes, it does. So from the gate, the whole premise is an admitted failure of law enforcement.
But on a larger scale, it is about a demographic of a unique American phenomenon that hit DC by the hundreds of thousands, if not more than a million, on 9-11 in 2013, ticked off. Those were real people of all colors and types, lots of Veterans, all nomad-type spirits even the Weekend Bikers -- all united and ticked off.
Who knows how many times bikers have thundered through D.C. and the MSM has never told us about it, or downplayed it? We really have no idea.
Then just for grins, there's this tidbit about Cossack KC Massey, apparently a felon (for what it doesn't say), had earlier put together an armed contingent to patrol some private property on the border that was a smuggling corridor in human and drug trafficking. It worked. Then "ATF agents filed the charge of felon in possession of a firearm against Massey following a shooting incident involving a Border Patrol Agent who fired five shots at an armed member of Massey's contingent, and missed. The Cameron County Sheriff could find no violatin of the law, but confiscated the weapons carried by Massey's men." He'll be standing trial with jury selection starting July 28.
Lots of Bandido Boot Lickers around here. I wonder how many live in a town with their own Bandido chapter?
Texas Gator has an agenda. Texas Gator never deviates from that agenda.
I think it's partly because any discussion of it involves examining individual trees, tedious and distracting and while interesting, kinda beside the point in a forest fire.
Most who actually pay attention smell a forest fire, but the ones who don't pay attention think folks like us are a bunch of "conspiracy theorists" because from their limited POV, it's just a matter of some trees burning.
Please stop feeding the troll.
So the Waco PD id only seizing vehicles with low lean amounts. They don’t want the litigation of loan to book value. That makes them low rent thieves!
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