Posted on 06/10/2015 4:00:36 AM PDT by Timber Rattler
I spent years dealing with ecoterrorists. PERSONALLY. I stand on solid ground. You need to get a grip. Because either you are totally clueless as to what you post or you are an active propagandist. One or the other. Either way you are a terror supporter.
Whoa Whoa Whoa, Hold on there Norm.
Is that BACKSTORY, you tried to blitz past us?
That requires an Excellent Story.
I'd love to hear all the details..
Yep. In the past there were some Freepers that really supported the anti-whaling movement. Haven’t seen them in awhile. I liked the TV show. Some of the folks on the Sea Shepard were truly stupid human beings. Idiocy on parade will get me to watch every time.
Still got me! I enjoyed the TV show too but it was hard watching them screw up all the time (”what do you mean you lost the Nisshin Maru?..”). The Japanese kept improving their tactics and weaponry but the Hippies kept coming back. Not sure that they saved all that many whales but at least they brought the world’s attention to the lying, poaching, whale-killing Japanese.
My Off-Road.com days. followed through the desert, photographed, wanted posters by the Animal liberation front. Death threats. Trashed a funding deal for a lot of money between a front group and Lycos. More death threats, A hit piece on me persinally by name and Off-Road.com overall as rabid anti environmentalists in Time magazine, mote death threats. Made a fool out of Daniel Patterson of the Center for Biological Diversity in front of a SRO crowd in Lancaster Calif at a green/BLM landuse meeting, moree threats. Warned by the former head of Greenpeace that his former buddies were dangerous and to be careful.
Standard issue for dealing with eco terrorists.
I expected more Normie.
Didn't you spend any time in uniform?
You said combat. Not me. Have your life threatened and get back to me about peaceful tree huggers. File a few FBI reports. Then get back to me.
Talk to my old friend and co worker Rick Sieman of Dirt Bike Magazine who almost got decapitated by a dirt bike trap set by Earth First. He didn’t wear a uniform either.
Got shot, too. Like I tell my kids "where I was, everybody got shot".
A little sad you didn't choose any military life - kind of hoped you had so I could admire you and your positions. Back a little while, all men joined the service. It was a passage of manhood.
"Ecoterrorists"? Give me a break!
I did choose a military life, they medicaled me twice. Trird to enlist. Couldn’t.
Lightweight to a soldier? Sure. Tell the people that have been killed by eco terrorists they died ‘lightweight’. tthen tell their families.
Sorry you turned Eco nut and forgot why you enlisted. I’m sure your brothers are real proud of you.
I'm not an "eco-nut" and I don't back lethal resistance. I just support the whales and the treaties and laws that protect them. The Japanese are clearly in the wrong yet some of our number support them anyway.
No they are not wrong or criminals any more than you or I are wrong for gun ownership that some world court hates.
I don’t have any issue with you personally liking whales or anything else. I don’t care if you think differently than someone else about their intelligence. Where my issue is in KNOWING what groups like Sea ARE. Thee unibomber was an eco terrorist with an Earth First fetish. And he was a terrorist because thats what he was labeled. Not by me. By the FBI and judicial system. Rod Coronado was a terrorist for the exact same reason. And Sea Shepard is in fact labeled a terror group in Europe. Thats not me. Thats the world’s own justice system there.
I do not know why you hate Japan after 70 years. This Japan death marched no one. Whales are not endangered. They are overpopulated. Those are realities. If you want to proverbially hug whales, I am 100% in your corner. Until you offer support for documented terrorists. And they are. Wale hugs or not.
Just to add...
Dave Foreman, EF’s founder, used to distribute a booklet we called the Earth First Death manual. Ir was an Anarchist Cookbook style improvised traps/munitions guide. I had a copy years ago. When Dave got hisself on the Sierra Club board, they went on a campaign denying it existed but too many copies were in the wild.
Now how many and what type of groups do you know that distribute that kind of info? Environmental groups? Or enviro-and other Terror groups.
I believe the quote that went with it was “We in no way advocate the use of this against humans (snicker)” but it’s been a while and the verbage may have been a bit different.
SEA is locked at the hip with ALD and EF. Always was.
The Japanese signed the treaty and agreed to abide by the laws and then went ahead and broke the laws anyway, pretending that mass slaughter of whales in a sanctuary was "research".
I don't hate the Japanese. I buy lots of Japanese stuff because they are craftsmen and they provide value for what they offer. I just keep an eye on them because their past provides a guide to their culture which can allow tremendous cruelty if they think that it's in their interests. For all of the supposed "terrorism" of the Sea Shepherds, it was the Japanese whalers who fired steel bolts at the anti-whalers in their skiffs and stabbed at them with sharpened metal spikes and threw sharp grapnels attached to lines to snag them.
It's just luck that no one was severely injured or killed so far.
Like I said earlier, I look at the Sea Shepherds as goofy, hapless, and even amusing but at least they're doing something to stop this inhumane practice. I am disappointed and angry that the United States and other signatories to the treaties have done nothing to put the brakes on the Japanese.
Fouling props with steel cable in antarctic waters could easily kill everyone on board the ship. Thats not the actions of fat hippies with a blubber fetish.
Look at the crew of wannabee bleeding hearts that took a combined world icebreaker response, aircraft, millions of dollars and a couple weeks to sort, trapping an ice breaker in the process. And they were doing nothing but being eco hippy tourists.
It is not the call of Sea to act as judge, jury and executioner. But it is most assueredly the right of a human to defend with deadly force against being stranded in antarctic waters to potentially die.
You leave out the time that the Sea Shepherds stopped their anti-whaling activities a couple of times to go to the rescue of a sailboat crew that was missing in the Antarctic and another time to join the Japanese whalers in a search for one of their men who fell overboard (not as a result of anything the anti-whalers did).
You probably should have watched the series...
Not at all. Break a prop/shaft or otherwise render the boat imobile and what are the people going to do? In sub zero waters they could well freeze to death just as the tourists could have had help not reached them with evac or supplies. Thats simple biology and mechanics.
You haven’t actually been at sea, have you? A fouled prop or a broken shat won’t sink the ship. There are at least two more Shonan Marus nearby to render aid and I don’t doubt that the Sea Shepherds would turn to as well if the Shonan crew was in danger. The main reason they try to foul their props is to shake their tailing vessels to catch up with the factory ship. It’s always temporary.
Odd that you haven’t mentioned the Japanese attempts to prop foul the Sea Shepherds...
You tend to be an exaggerator and it is very hard to take you seriously. Everything is so dramatic - your scary encounters with “ecoterrorists”, your life endangered by “death threats”, your thrilling reports to the FBI..
Whew!
I’m all for close observation - but that close would be bad..
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