Posted on 06/05/2015 6:10:07 AM PDT by don-o
Comically. Now that’s funny.
>> Supersonic rounds pass a shock wave through the tissue which grows comically as the track progresses.
Grows comically?
Funny, I never heard that until now.
You gotta watch that IPad spellchecker every second.
You should try to be a little less closed minded about this thing. There is information out there that comes from eyewitness members of the biker clubs involved that tell how the whole thing started. I realize that knowledge is dangerous to a propaganda effort but please try to keep it real.
No, it isn’t.
If you accept that story as proving the cause of three fatalities, there are six more not accounted for. Any thoughts on that?
No, it isn’t funny. I forgot the /s.
“. No way a .223 did not pass through everything. The “tumbling” legend is a myth.”
.223 gelatin tests ...
That’s your “scoop?” Really?
So you are still sticking to the “Lt. Calley and his company just happened to be strolling past My Lai, so thank goodness he was able to stop the gunfight between feuding Vietnamese families” cover story. Pitiful.
Interesting study but not relevant to the case at hand. These rounds passed through two layers of siding, Sheetrock, and fiberglass insulation. The onit there was that .223 is as safe as ____ for home defense. I’m not sure how that is relevant.
“Interesting study but not relevant to the case at hand. “
In the gelatin only, the .223 had substantially less penetration than the 9 mm due to fragmentation. It would thus seem that pieces of .223 would more likely be recovered in the body than 9 mm.
Only if they struck bone. I don’t know for certain but I doubt LE uses soft tip ammo. I would expect FMJ which would tend less to fragment. Even soft tip has a thicker base of copper to retain as much mass as possible. The idea with soft tip is to get maximal expansion and retain as much energy as possible in the target and not lose energy out the exit wound. The Hollywood misconception is that persons struck by firearms violently fly back off their feet at the impact. One day hunting deer I hit a 100 lb doe broadside at ten feet with 12 ga. 3 inch 00 buck. 18 .30 cal. Lead pellets. She did stop walking mid stride but other than a dying shudder on her feet she didn’t move a cm. away from me. Few of the pellets passed through. If one is wearing armor and receives a round impact on the armor you probably would be knocked down or at least knocked back some.
During the Civil War the logistics guys had to evaluate potential new weapons for service. The test they devised was to hang cadavers up and shoot them. It was felt that to be acceptable in performance if the impact had to swing the cadaver back 45 degrees. The thought being that this would knock the victim down taking him out of the fight. Interesting in that it reveals the lack of real understanding about terminal ballistics. Critics pointed out that these cadavers were largely soldiers that had died from diarrhea which were available in abundance and hence the hydration of the cadavers was significantly less such that concluding their was equivalence between them and live soldiers was far less than assumed.
So what’s next...you gonna throw your medals over the White House fence and start dating Jane Fonda?
Or is poorly written false narratives enough?
I don’t know what Tx or Waco uses but here is a MA study that recommends the .223 FMJ.
In the study they point out that even the FMJ starts to tumble at about 4.5 inches penetration and then will most likely fragment.
Only the bonded tactical bullet tends to hold together.
http://www.mlefiaa.org/files/ERPR/Ammunition_20for_20the_20Patrol_20Carbine.pdf
That article is at least ten years old as the latest reference is 2003. Not that there have been any new revelations in the interval but read the results section. The author almosts quotes what I posted verbatim. The objective was to take into account the need to penetrate windshields, body armor, etc. again, not relevant at Waco.
“The author almosts quotes what I posted verbatim. “
I don’t remember you posting that the .223 would most likely tumble and fragment in human tissue as the author states.
No, in the results the author states the injury to tissue is caused by hypersonic tearing of tissue.
No, Travis, no one has said “anybody who rides a Harley is biker scum”. But its damn sure a fact that those involved in the Waco shootout were biker gangs = scum.
The vast majority of Harley riders are good people, like many of my friends, who are likely retired or enjoying riding. Not one of them is a member of any motorcycle gang.
For some reason, these gang defenders hope to lump all the good riders in with the scum, a very liberal tactic. Ain’t working!
“No, in the results the author states the injury to tissue is caused by hypersonic tearing of tissue.”
I thought we were discussing penetration, not tissue injury?
“For some reason, these gang defenders hope to lump all the good riders in with the scum”
I thought these gang defenders were trying to lump all the gangsters in with the good riders ...
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