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Texas Senator Ted Cruz to announce presidential run: report
Reuters ^ | 3/22 | Reuters

Posted on 03/22/2015 5:49:47 AM PDT by TangledUpInBlue

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To: BlackAdderess

It depends on how you ask the question - if the source listed “health care” as a generic issue with all others, it was one result - or if “jobs” and “the economy” were two separate issues - it was another - but when Obama Care, or even the Affordable Care Act - was in the survey specifically, it was different still.

Which shows the obscenity of these polls sometimes - jobs, the economy, Obama Care, are ALL RELATED. Obama Care is one reason people are upset about the economy and jobs!


101 posted on 03/23/2015 4:22:26 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

The main issue was the economy.


102 posted on 03/23/2015 5:09:08 AM PDT by BlackAdderess ("Give me a but a firm spot on which to stand, and I shall move the earth". --Archimedes)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

That would be a great campaign buzz word. I love it.

With Obama we chose “a yellow commie over a white American and that makes us pretty pinko”...


103 posted on 03/23/2015 5:55:15 AM PDT by TangledUpInBlue
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To: BlackAdderess

The economy is not “one issue” - it’s almost every issue. It’s jobs. It’s taxes. It’s debt and deficits. It’s Obama Care. It’s regulation. It’s cronyism. It’s amnesty. It’s bail outs. It’s all of that.

It’s like saying “life” is the biggest issue....when you break things down to real single issues - Obama Care and amnesty were dominant. Most pollsters don’t break it down right. Some do however.

HINT: ask “why” instead of “what” or “who” all the time. It’s very enlightening.


104 posted on 03/23/2015 6:08:07 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

You are tilting at windmills, friend, and yes it takes one to know one ;)


105 posted on 03/23/2015 6:12:00 AM PDT by BlackAdderess ("Give me a but a firm spot on which to stand, and I shall move the earth". --Archimedes)
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To: BlackAdderess

not tilting at windshields...you are doing what the casual follower normally does - which is to spout unoriginal ideas they’ve heard elsewhere. You never ask “why” - you ask ‘what” or “who” - the greater minds ask, and answer, why.


106 posted on 03/23/2015 6:36:33 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I am quoting from a variety of source material on exit polling from the 2014 election, so of COURSE it is not original material. By the way, attributing motivations to other people and rattling on about “greater minds” when someone busts you on faulty reasoning is nothing more than another form of argumentation fallacy.


107 posted on 03/23/2015 6:53:50 AM PDT by BlackAdderess ("Give me a but a firm spot on which to stand, and I shall move the earth". --Archimedes)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

If you are a Cruz fan it seems to me the relevant question you should be asking is whether or not Rand Paul’s voters are transferable to Ted Cruz or if they will instead go to someone like Drew Carey.


108 posted on 03/23/2015 7:06:12 AM PDT by BlackAdderess ("Give me a but a firm spot on which to stand, and I shall move the earth". --Archimedes)
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To: BlackAdderess

Great question, and one that’s relatively easy to answer, in general at least.

Some of Rand’s voters are. Some are not transferable to any other person, the hard core bot types. I also don’t think any of Rand’s voters are transferable to any of the other names floating around. I might come up with one at some time, but there is zero cross over to Jeb, to Walker, (well, maybe a tiny bit to Walker now that I think about it), none to Huckbee, none to Christie, or Trump, or Carson.

What say you?


109 posted on 03/23/2015 8:31:09 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: BlackAdderess

It’s not faulty reasoning - there are exit polls about 2014 that are ALL OVER THE PLACE and don’t even seem to be talking about the same election. I’ve reviewed some with a quick Google search, and it’s almost nonsensical.

BUT there certainly was exit data that put Obama Care at a plurality of single issues in at least a few polls. This with no help from the GOP e messaging machine about it.

Not faulty reasoning, though maybe inaccessible to some thinkers.


110 posted on 03/23/2015 8:33:32 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

No, Finnegan’s Wake is inaccessible, you are simply refusing to acknowledge that you are mistaken.


111 posted on 03/23/2015 8:45:23 AM PDT by BlackAdderess ("Give me a but a firm spot on which to stand, and I shall move the earth". --Archimedes)
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To: BlackAdderess

I’m not mistaken. I saw it. If I cared enough about you, I’d take the time to find it. What I did find was that there were exit polls all over the place with all kinds of contradictory data.

What you aren’t able to access is the plane of why, not just what or who. Your reverence for one of the most biases, corrupt and incompetent industries going - polling - is very telling.


112 posted on 03/23/2015 8:48:21 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

tee hee, and now you are insulting the facts because they are not to your liking!


113 posted on 03/23/2015 9:07:19 AM PDT by BlackAdderess ("Give me a but a firm spot on which to stand, and I shall move the earth". --Archimedes)
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To: BlackAdderess

Not insulting facts. When you break the economy down - and I stand by the intellectually superior position that it is not one issue, but MANY issues - when you break it down into taxes, deficits, regulation, jobs, Obama Care - when you do that, Obama Care is huge factor.

Why do you think people fear the economy? You don’t think Obama Care is a major issue in that? What is costing a lot of jobs? Obama Care. What is the biggest regulation in history? Obama Care.

You should not try this at home.


114 posted on 03/23/2015 9:18:45 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: BlackAdderess

Besides, and this is something you haven’t even considered, exit polls include those who voted Democrat. The only pertinent figure is among those who voted Republican.

Totally different universe. Again, why is a question above your pay grade obviously.


115 posted on 03/23/2015 9:19:39 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

But as I already stated a number of times, healthcare was one of the options people got to choose from. Instead of going with that option a clear majority in poll after poll chose the economy. Ted Cruz did not swing the 2014 election with an abortive filibuster. I don’t know if he had any effect on the issue at all as it has been steadfast in it’s unpopularity since the day it was signed into law.


116 posted on 03/23/2015 9:31:56 AM PDT by BlackAdderess ("Give me a but a firm spot on which to stand, and I shall move the earth". --Archimedes)
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To: BlackAdderess

You’re 40 IQ points short of minimum requirement for this debate. Have a nice life.


117 posted on 03/23/2015 9:33:37 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Highest score I ever got was 165 accorded to me by virtue of an LSAT test, but I admit that was a performance I did not repeat.


118 posted on 03/23/2015 9:36:31 AM PDT by BlackAdderess ("Give me a but a firm spot on which to stand, and I shall move the earth". --Archimedes)
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To: BlackAdderess

Well the LSAT is not an IQ test - and you haven’t demonstrated any skills that a 165 would require yet in our debate. Perhaps it’s not true.

But if it is, then you should be well equipped to respond to my breakdown of what ‘the economy’ is - vis a vis - many issues rolled into one. You’ve totally avoided that. You haven’t touched it. I think you’re scared of it.


119 posted on 03/23/2015 9:39:32 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I think you are trying to dance 50 different ways from Sunday around the very easily grasped fact that you were/are mistaken. It happens.


120 posted on 03/23/2015 9:46:15 AM PDT by BlackAdderess ("Give me a but a firm spot on which to stand, and I shall move the earth". --Archimedes)
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