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Wisconsin Assembly passes right-to-work bill after 19 hours of debate
chicagotribune.com ^ | 3/6/15

Posted on 03/06/2015 8:18:40 AM PST by cotton1706

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To: max americana
Probably the last good thing Walker will do as a “conservative” before he shows his true colors..

What are his "True Colors"? I know he waffled on border security/Amnesty for a bit. Is this your hang up or is there more? Educate me.

21 posted on 03/06/2015 8:42:15 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (POPOF. President Of Pants On Fire.)
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To: cotton1706

Fly these legislatures to Washington immediately and instruct The U.S. House and Senate Putz’s what majority means.


22 posted on 03/06/2015 8:47:48 AM PST by Tac Double Tap (I'd rather die standing than on my knees begging.)
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To: max americana
Probably the last good thing Walker will do as a “conservative” before he shows his true colors..

To asinine a statement to deserve a reply....PATHETIC.

23 posted on 03/06/2015 8:50:15 AM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails overall)
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To: Tenacious 1

This government worker is doing just fine. I know someone who works for a municipality that rammed through an agreement with the union while Act 10 implementation was being stalled with legal action, however, who had to write up a justification for his position last budget cycle - it was on the block to help balance the city budget.


24 posted on 03/06/2015 9:01:02 AM PST by knittnmom (Save the earth! It's the only planet with chocolate!)
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To: Tenacious 1

This government worker is doing just fine. I know someone who works for a municipality that rammed through an agreement with the union while Act 10 implementation was being stalled with legal action, however, who had to write up a justification for his position last budget cycle - it was on the block to help balance the city budget.


25 posted on 03/06/2015 9:01:02 AM PST by knittnmom (Save the earth! It's the only planet with chocolate!)
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To: cotton1706
Still stinging from Walker's signature 2011 law that stripped most public workers of nearly all their union rights

I suppose freedom of the press is the right to invent rights.

26 posted on 03/06/2015 9:02:51 AM PST by ConservativeInPA (#JuSuisCharlesMartel)
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To: thackney

Good graphic! And where are all the “new jobs” being created? This map shows you!


27 posted on 03/06/2015 9:14:22 AM PST by vette6387
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To: Tenacious 1

“She hates this bill because the union will lose money that it would otherwise spend on liberal candidates election ambitions.”

Which would include her black butt!


28 posted on 03/06/2015 9:16:45 AM PST by vette6387
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To: cotton1706

There is a double win here! First, you give people the unfettered right to get a job and second, you cut off union funding of the RATs. The second effect is probably more important in the long term than the first.


29 posted on 03/06/2015 9:21:10 AM PST by vette6387
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To: cotton1706

There is a double win here! First, you give people the unfettered right to get a job and second, you cut off union funding of the RATs. The second effect is probably more important in the long term than the first.


30 posted on 03/06/2015 9:34:49 AM PST by vette6387
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To: cotton1706

>>>Still stinging from Walker’s signature 2011 law that stripped most public workers<<<

No bias there. Not even close to being true, but who cares?
The entire Media is a LIE Machine, nothing else.


31 posted on 03/06/2015 9:39:27 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (Tagline under review by the United States Supreme Court.)
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To: cotton1706
Still stinging from Walker's signature 2011 law that stripped most public workers of nearly all their union rights . . .

What nice, fair, balanced reporting, eh?

From what I've read, the only "right" taken was the dubious right of unions to force the employers to automatically deduct dues?

Did I miss anything else?

Once workers found out that they couldn't be forced to join unions and pay the Jizya, they left in droves. Isn't this what led to the current right-to-work legislation?

32 posted on 03/06/2015 9:57:41 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: thackney

Next week, or thereabouts, we can see that map with Wisconsin colored blue.


33 posted on 03/06/2015 10:02:22 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: vette6387
There is a double win here! First, you give people the unfettered right to get a job and second, you cut off union funding of the RATs. The second effect is probably more important in the long term than the first.

There's a third benefit...Business profits will increase dramatically and the gov't (that's we taxpayers) will now have more low paid workers to subsidize (it's called welfare)...

Personally, I'd like business to pay their own employees' wages rather than the taxpayers having to pay them...

34 posted on 03/06/2015 10:03:42 AM PST by Iscool
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To: Iscool

“There’s a third benefit...Business profits will increase dramatically and the gov’t (that’s we taxpayers) will now have more low paid workers to subsidize (it’s called welfare)...”

So, I take it you are a union member?
I really liked the recent article about the Ford shop steward who went to the plant, clocked in, said he was going on “union business” then retired to a titty bar for the rest of the day until it was time to go clock out? Personally, he and his ilk can go try out welfare!


35 posted on 03/06/2015 10:19:28 AM PST by vette6387
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To: Vigilanteman

>>Did I miss anything else?<<

Actually, yes, you missed a lot, and I write this as a supporter of what Walker has accomplished, by the way, but accuracy is important too.

Act 10 basically obliterated existing public-sector union contracts (with the exception of the police and fire unions which were left out of Act 10) and also removed the unions’ power to negotiate in the future over most of the items in those existing contracts, so it was a huge reduction of union rights.

Not only did it tear up existing contracts; it re-wrote major portions dealing with monetary issues. For example, nearly every school district in the state had negotiated away the obligation of teachers and staff (and administrators too, for that matter) to pay half of the annual pension obligation to the state retirement system (the employee share). Instead, over the years, school districts had negotiated themselves into a position where they would pay the employee share AND the employer share, i.e., all of the pension contributions each year.

Act 10 rewrote that and after its passage union members started seeing deductions from their paychecks equal to the employee share of pension contributions. This was actually grossly unfair because those payment arrangements had been negotiated in good faith over the years, but it happened anyway, and frankly, most voters thought it wasn’t all that unfair because most of them viewed public employees to have been given overly generous benefit packages.

Health insurance was treated similarly, although the effect on both employer and employee was usually positive because the employers could then obtain competitive bids and change insurers, reducing costs tremendously across the state.

In the end, Act 10 left union leaders at the local level with so little to negotiate that they are now effectively powerless when it comes to wage and work condition considerations.

But, as one who thinks they shouldn’t even exist in the public sector, so be it.


36 posted on 03/06/2015 10:29:10 AM PST by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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To: Iscool

>>Personally, I’d like business to pay their own employees’ wages rather than the taxpayers having to pay them...<<

Well, you’re in luck then because that’s exactly what right to work laws accomplish. Wages, adjusted for living costs, are higher in right to work states, which is probably why they are growing in population and the other states are either shrinking or growing at a slower than average pace.

Of course, I suppose everyone is just moving to those states to get more welfare....


37 posted on 03/06/2015 10:32:36 AM PST by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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To: vette6387
So, I take it you are a union member? I really liked the recent article about the Ford shop steward who went to the plant, clocked in, said he was going on “union business” then retired to a titty bar for the rest of the day until it was time to go clock out? Personally, he and his ilk can go try out welfare!

I've worked about equally on both sides of the isle...And I don't deny there is abuse within the ranks of the union...That shop steward should have been fired, btw...

Just looking around the Country...There are well over a thousand new billionaires in the world as of this week...Now they are trying to predict who with be the first Trillionaire...They expect it to happen within the next couple of years...

Right to work doesn't increase employment opportunies...RTW lowers wages and working conditions...And as I said, it will put a lot more people on welfare which we will have to pay for...

38 posted on 03/06/2015 10:36:09 AM PST by Iscool
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To: Vigilanteman

Another contract provision that was likely to become burdensome to the public over time was the Long-Term Care insurance that had found its way into most contracts. That provision would have been nearly impossible to negotiate out prior to Act 10, and was growing year by year in both coverage and cost.

After Act 10, if a school board wanted out of the long-term care situation, they could just drop the insurance, and I believe many did exactly that. The at least started reining it in, and I doubt that any continued expanding it.


39 posted on 03/06/2015 10:38:32 AM PST by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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To: knittnmom
This government worker is doing just fine. I know someone who works for a municipality that rammed through an agreement with the union while Act 10 implementation was being stalled with legal action, however, who had to write up a justification for his position last budget cycle - it was on the block to help balance the city budget.

Good luck to you and yours. I certainly always hope for the best for all my fellow individual citizens. However, my opinion does not discriminate as far as organizations (unions) go. I root for the freedom loving individual citizens of this nation that work hard to always be seeking more for their efforts (as earned). It's sad that I also must root against union organizations that represent those individuals, on behalf of the freedoms of all freedom loving workers. I shall not endeavor to offer the fruit of my labor to be redistributed to others in a wasteful manner via burdensome taxation. At times, the good of the many outweigh the good of the few.

40 posted on 03/06/2015 10:45:04 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (POPOF. President Of Pants On Fire.)
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