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Nationalism is a Poison
Reason Magazine ^ | February 8, 2015 | Sheldon Richman

Posted on 02/08/2015 6:04:26 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: lonestar67

Also an eloquent description of a complete a..hole. This guy is the epitome of jerkdom.


41 posted on 02/08/2015 7:25:00 PM PST by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: huckfillary

In all candor, the author needs to go and join ISIS.

ISIS was formed when Baghdadi was released from prison in Iraq by the overwrought sentiments like those we see here.

The idea that American patriotism is the root of all evil is the greatest lie ever perpetrated against innocent human beings.

The idea that American Sniper constitutes unbearable patriotism is to be completely divorced from any historical instances of patriotic utterances.

I don’t think this author could sit through a Reagan 84 re election ad let alone some actually pro war propaganda from World War II.

I think the least libertarians can do is admit that they are more loyal to the Democratic party than any notion of limited government.

Hey Reason readers!

There exist an abundance of de-sovereign spaces on the planet Earth. In those places you will find no risk of the ultimate toxin: Patriotism. May I suggest the following possibilities in no particular order:

1. Ukraine
2. Syria
3. Iraq
4. Somalia,
5. Yemen
6. Libya

I know the locals will be thoroughly impressed with your self infatuated brilliance about critical thinking ahead of allegiance.

Please don’t anyone tell you that leaving America for these locales would be unreasonably dangerous.

That is clearly a ridiculous and foolish thought.


42 posted on 02/08/2015 7:29:32 PM PST by lonestar67 (I remember when unemployment was 4.7 percent / Cruz 2016)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The left has always hated that working people felt more loyalty to nation than to class.


43 posted on 02/08/2015 7:34:34 PM PST by jdege
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To: philoginist

“The only threat to anyone’s liberty is government, especially a, “strong,” one.”

Clearly false. Individuals can kill you or enslave you without any government help. They clearly can be a threat to anyone’s liberty.

The problem, which the founders noted, is that you need to have enough government to create and maintain the rule of law, protect property rights, and protect the nation from other governments. If you do not have that, you get eaten by other peoples and governments.

The opposite side of this is that too much government, as you noted, will eat you, kill you and enslave you as well. The U.S Constitution has been the best attempt yet to set up a system of balanced forces to allow for freedom of the individual. It has been failing for a hundred years, but slowly, and I have hope that we can reverse the process.


44 posted on 02/08/2015 7:41:57 PM PST by marktwain
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Humans are happiest living among their own, however that may be defined. When all the world falls to ruin because of these fools, it will shortly reorganize itself along the same lines it always has, but only after oceans of blood these communist scum have caused.


45 posted on 02/08/2015 7:44:10 PM PST by The Toll
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Well, its a load of crap, but its a libertarian load of crap, not a liberal one. This is what happens when someone adopts a narrow set of premises and limits himself to working out everything from them and only them, applying rigid reason. Its a bit of an Aspergers approach.
Its a bit like the way the judicial reasoning of Sunni Islam is supposed to work, in their case the premises being the literal reading of their scriptures.


46 posted on 02/08/2015 7:44:35 PM PST by buwaya
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sheldon, the reason Chris Kyle is in the Islamic hellholes is because some elite ass decided we needed to do nation building. It would have been far less expensive if we simply bombed them where it hurts in retaliation to their attack on us. Ordinary Americans are not beating their chests to assert ourselves over others. They do see elitists as manipulating the system to the advantage of elites who profit from these adventures and the enemy who are given a lot of our wealth. Sheldon, you really suck for putting this on the ordinary American who goes along to get along.


47 posted on 02/08/2015 7:49:51 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (behind enemy lines)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Nationalism is a poison.

The alternative is surrender. What could be more poisonous than that?

48 posted on 02/08/2015 8:22:00 PM PST by ChicagahAl (Don't blame me. I voted for Sarah.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Shut up, Sheldon, you twink.


49 posted on 02/08/2015 8:25:23 PM PST by 98ZJ USMC
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

But it is the greatest nation on Earth, and it has saved more people and placed more nations into freedom than all other nations combined - and much of that was through the US Military and people like Chris Kyle.

Chris Kyle is beyond the Iraq War - and we would not be having this discussion if it were World War II and he was shooting Germans and Japanese.

Kyle is a hero, and he gave his life for his country.

So this guy, and Jane Fonda, and every other disguised traitor can go and pound sand.


50 posted on 02/08/2015 8:29:41 PM PST by Titus-Maximus (It doesn't matter who votes for whom, it only matters who counts the votes - Joe Stalin)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This guy lays out the mindset of the morally obtuse very well.

Its epidemic these days. Even the president is infected.

51 posted on 02/08/2015 8:55:30 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Yardstick

Maybe so. But you may find this memoir of Murray Rothbard’s enlightening. He had been part of the Rand inner circle that met in NYC:

http://archive.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard23.html


52 posted on 02/08/2015 9:19:19 PM PST by Pelham (WWIII. Islam vs the West)
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To: buwaya

well said


53 posted on 02/08/2015 9:21:19 PM PST by Pelham (WWIII. Islam vs the West)
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To: philoginist

How much liberty did Belgians have under Hitler? Estonians under Stalin? History shows nations that can’t defend themselves lose their liberty. A strong nation is one that can and does defend it’s people in a dangerous world. The people who founded this nation understood that. I don’t think they would consider “nationalist” a dirty word.


54 posted on 02/08/2015 10:23:47 PM PST by Hugin ("Do yourself a favor--first thing, get a firearm!",)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I am an unapologetic nationalist, an American chauvinist, not of the sort inspired by the intent of Wilson or even Lincoln.

The Constitution, the Rule of Law, and not men. The Philadelphia miracle. It's kryptonite to Leftists and to Islam, just as it is to all collectivists.

No apologies for preferring my country, warts and all.

The first of Sun Tzu's Art of War articles points out why the subject must be studied. Simply because its about survival.

55 posted on 02/08/2015 11:12:49 PM PST by Prospero (Si Deus trucido mihi, ego etiam fides Deus.)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

Self hatred is a bitter poison.
Let us begin at the bottom, “guilty white folk outing themselves claiming white priviledge”


56 posted on 02/09/2015 3:45:14 AM PST by ronnie raygun (Empty head empty suit = arrogant little bastard)
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>> It’s no accident that governments never fail to call on their flocks to “love their country,”

>> Some of us wish to distinguish nationalism from patriotism, but I don’t think this works.

The author is force-feeding conflated aspects of societal homogeneity.


57 posted on 02/09/2015 3:54:04 AM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: ronnie raygun
Self hatred is a bitter poison. Let us begin at the bottom, “guilty white folk outing themselves claiming white priviledge”

Working class whites don't exhibit this delusion.

58 posted on 02/09/2015 5:15:16 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie (The media must be defeated any way it can be done.)
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