Posted on 02/05/2015 11:44:36 AM PST by Moseley
Thanks for the pings.
I totally agree! Keep it as-is, and just follow it. That INCLUDES Article V, States proposing amendments. Just another avenue to Follow the Constitution, as recommended by the Founders.
THAT should definitely be the FIRST STEP. Any changing won’t do a thing if it’s not followed! Good point!
So apparently, claims by current supporters that there is no way for this convention to become a “runaway convention” are entirely false, as the actual rules haven’t even been decided? According to this article, there is most certainly much opportunity for “bad proposals” to get through as the opportunity for “good proposals”. Interesting indeed.
No, we need more amendments and laws and regulations to ignore! Where's the fun in keeping it as is!?
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This is not a convention to change the Constitution. It is a Convention of the states to offer amendments to the Constitution just like the Congress does.
Again, this is a Convention of the States. Article V allows for two ways to amend. Either through Congress or a Convention of the States. A Constitutional Convention is an entirely different animal that a Convention of the States.
The Constitution has been amended many times over the years. This would be the same thing only with the states proposing and voting on amendments and not Congress.
You're right! That's how we got the IRS!
Each state gets to set its own rules for choosing delegates.
It takes 3/4 of the states to agree to pass an amendment. That’s a pretty high bar. If there are 3/4 of the states who support a bad amendment or a lefty, crazy amendment your country is pretty much toast anyway.
Since we are no longer a Constitutional Republic and our Constitution is pretty much null and void what would we have to lose at this point?
Our founders gave us this article in order to provide for a situation they could foresee. It’s a final option to prevent bloodshed.
And the bill of rights
And a Convention of the states is a way to get rid of it.
You should read Mark Levin’s book “The Liberty Amendments”. He lays out the history behind Article V and explains very well what it is all about and what it is NOT. He also presents 10 example amendments which are pretty good actually.
They need to do so BEFORE submitting an application, or as part of the application process. The fact is, even if this is spearheaded by the GOP, there WILL be leftist proposals made and, in politics, the only way to get things done is through compromise with the other side. You really think the GOP's going to keep the leftists out of the process? I don't.
It takes 3/4 of the states to agree to pass an amendment. That’s a pretty high bar.
So how'd the national income tax pass? That was a horrible idea from the word IRS...
I'll read it when I find it on the discount shelf. Forgive me if I'm skeptical of something being pushed hard by someone who just so happened to write a book about it about the same time he decided to become its biggest proponent.
The state appoints the delegates and they set the agenda. The delegate must follow the state’s agenda. I believe there are legal remedies if they do not. Like I said. Read Levin’s book and you’ll be able to debate this issue actually knowing what it is all about.
The idea that there could be a runaway convention or rogue delegates has been shown not to be the case. The founders put Article V in the Constitution for a good reason. It was debated. You don’t think they already thought of all of these objections?
They did a pretty good job with the Constitution do you think they really screwed up with Article V?
I understand that and am completely behind it, HOWEVER, according to this article, your point is ONLY true (if)WHEN the individual states pass the rules for convention - at the moment, there are no such laws, rules, etc., which is the point of this article.
I'm not opposed to it, but a little common sense brings about a lot of angles that supporters of a Convention are completely ignoring. Supporters say this will be all sunshine and roses for the conservative movement. It won't be. Leftist proposals will have every chance of passing the righty proposals do, and I personally believe we need to be very very careful about what we ask for, because we're going to end up getting it, and it's going to be NOTHING like what was first touted.
There WILL be a leftist assault in the run up to and during the convention. The GOP, even on the state level, has ALWAYS been all about "bipartisanship" (which is utter BS, but that's another story) - do you honestly believe they will push the leftists completely out?
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