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Incoming Senate chairman: Gas tax increase on table
Associated Press ^ | Jan 4, 2015 10:31 AM EST

Posted on 01/04/2015 11:52:21 AM PST by Olog-hai

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To: Milton Miteybad
The “user fee” claim is a canard. All federal gas tax revenue goes into the general fund first; the FHWA admits the same.
Most of the excise taxes credited to the HTF are not collected by the Federal government directly from the consumer. They are, instead, paid to the Internal Revenue Service by the producer or importer of the taxable product (except in the cases of the tax on trucks and trailers, which is paid by the retailer, and the heavy vehicle use tax, which is paid by the heavy vehicle owner). As a result, most of the Federal fuel taxes come from a handful of States, those where major oil companies are headquartered, and most tire taxes are paid from Ohio, the home of the U.S. tire industry. Of course, these taxes become part of the price of the product and are ultimately paid by the highway user.

User taxes are deposited in the General Fund of the Treasury and the amounts equivalent to these taxes are then transferred on paper to the HTF. Transfers are made at least monthly on the basis of estimates by the Secretary of the Treasury and later adjusted on the basis of actual tax receipts. Amounts in the HTF in excess of current expenditure requirements are invested in public debt securities. Until October 1, 1998, the securities were interest-bearing and interest from the securities was credited to the fund. Since that time, the HTF balance has been invested in non-interest-bearing securities. …
Just another Ponzi scheme.
41 posted on 01/04/2015 12:34:34 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Alberta's Child

There is no “beauty” in any such tax.

Most roads in the USA used to be toll roads, and owned by the private sector; that is until the progressives came along and had the states take over the roads.


42 posted on 01/04/2015 12:36:22 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Alberta's Child

It wouldn’t be able to afford it anyway.

Toll roads and bridges weren’t taken over by the government because they were failing.


43 posted on 01/04/2015 12:37:18 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

I don’t think so John.


44 posted on 01/04/2015 12:49:08 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: Olog-hai

Lovely - so much for “smaller government” and “lower taxes”...

What people just don’t seem to want to wrap their minds around - the Federal Government takes in MORE than enough money to provide for 100% of the CONSTITUTIONAL Responsibilities of the Federal Government. Indeed, I have seen some pretty eye-opening numbers over the years regarding what the Federal budget would look like if restricted to Constitutional bounds... Lets just say we all would have more money in our pockets, and the government would likely actually take in more revenue due to it (thus having more money to further improve on the Constitutional responsibilities).


45 posted on 01/04/2015 12:49:38 PM PST by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: Milton Miteybad

Let us not forget the subsidies and kick-backs to encourage people to buy/lease electric and hybrid vehicles... that also contributes to the lower revenue from gas taxes.

How about no more subsidies for these vehicles, and instead - since they ARE using the same roads that fuel-burning drivers are paying for, put a GPS tracker in THEIR vehicle and/or track miles driven and charge them for using the roads they are NOT paying for... Wy should I pay a tax so that Johnny Tree-hugger Prius gets a free ride?


46 posted on 01/04/2015 12:55:08 PM PST by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: Olog-hai

B*stards! All they think of is burdening the populace.


47 posted on 01/04/2015 12:58:07 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Breto

“In 2012 the federal Government spent $3,600,000,000,000.00 dollars. Guess thats not enough for you? Fresh out of spare change are we?”

Nope, not when we can have A LOT of upgraded and widened roads if we spend $3,611,000,000,000.00 instead. I’m willing to spend the extra 0.3% needed for decent roads.

Maybe just an across-the-board 1% cut in Social Security spending to cover it, perhaps?


48 posted on 01/04/2015 1:03:22 PM PST by BobL (REPUBLICANS - Fight for the WHITE VOTE...and you will win.)
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To: Alberta's Child
Then I agree with the trucking lobby...which probably puts me in agreement, also, with the highway construction lobby. My primary issue here is not so much that we need additional funds for highway construction and maintenance; we do. The federal motor fuels tax has been at its current level since the early 90s, I believe. It takes money to build and maintain highways. If I'm paying more for motor fuels for that purpose, I personally don't see it as such a bad trade-off. At least the motoring public is getting something for their money.

Where it starts to stink is when Congress diverts the funds to other purposes, or otherwise segregates them without actually spending them so as to provide an accounting offset to massive deficits elsewhere in the budget. That's why I think any such legislation would need to have a "head-lopping" provision for recalcitrant lawmakers. ;-)
49 posted on 01/04/2015 1:05:06 PM PST by Milton Miteybad (I am Jim Thompson. {Really.})
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To: Barkeep99

Yea, that’s basically how I see it.

The problem with road pricing is that roads are worth a LOT MORE to people than they cost to build and maintain...roughly 10 to 20 times as much. That’s why some roads now cost $1.00 per mile to drive to on, and nearly all toll roads cost 10 to 30 cents to drive on, whereas the federal gas tax (for an average car) is about 1 PENNY per mile.


50 posted on 01/04/2015 1:05:49 PM PST by BobL (REPUBLICANS - Fight for the WHITE VOTE...and you will win.)
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To: BobL

How about neither. I can’t believe there are conservatives willing to accept more taxes like its just our duty.


51 posted on 01/04/2015 1:08:06 PM PST by sarge83
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To: SkyDancer

Raise taxes, expand government? I thought Republicans won the election.


52 posted on 01/04/2015 1:09:58 PM PST by duffee (Dump the Chairman of the Mississippi Republican Party, joe nosef.)
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To: Olog-hai; KC_Lion

Republicrats Assemble!


53 posted on 01/04/2015 1:11:11 PM PST by GeronL
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To: TheBattman
Let us not forget the subsidies and kick-backs to encourage people to buy/lease electric and hybrid vehicles... that also contributes to the lower revenue from gas taxes.

How about no more subsidies for these vehicles, and instead - since they ARE using the same roads that fuel-burning drivers are paying for, put a GPS tracker in THEIR vehicle and/or track miles driven and charge them for using the roads they are NOT paying for... Why should I pay a tax so that Johnny Tree-hugger Prius gets a free ride?


I'm OK with that. Hybrids should actually pay a higher tax rate, given that they are pretty heavy, relative to their size, and are proportionately harder on the roads. (Battery packs weigh a lot.)
54 posted on 01/04/2015 1:11:59 PM PST by Milton Miteybad (I am Jim Thompson. {Really.})
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To: BobL

You mean more union kickbacks and graft. Every few yrs the left in both parties trot out the infrastructure is rotting canard to raise taxes again. Pass.


55 posted on 01/04/2015 1:12:14 PM PST by sarge83
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To: BobL

If we had REAL Conservatives instead of RINO bastards we wouldn’t be faced with either tax increases or GPS Tracking.


56 posted on 01/04/2015 1:14:20 PM PST by duffee (Dump the Chairman of the Mississippi Republican Party, joe nosef.)
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To: BobL

I am good with eliminating Social Security (in all its forms), Medicare, Medicaid, All wealth transfer payments including EITC. In fact anything to do with so called safety nets including FEMA tax transfers. Just return the money people paid into the government for any such program and let people live their lives responsibly as they see fit. Kill DOEnergy, DOEducation DOCommerce, EPA, Interior, Downsize homeland security to its pre Bush configuration and restore our liberty.

If you cant live your life responsibly and take care of yourself then...dont ask me to do it for you.


57 posted on 01/04/2015 1:16:01 PM PST by Breto (Stranger in a strange land... where did America go?)
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To: Olog-hai

Republicans have a hard time not thinking of themselves as the tax collectors for the profligacy of the Democrats and the Bushes.


58 posted on 01/04/2015 1:18:19 PM PST by arthurus
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To: Breto

Dammit...that line usually works here. Most FReepers GO BALLISTIC when you mention touching their precious Social Security. They have no problem cutting the goodies to other people, but NOT TO THEMSELVES.

I’ll have to come up with something else - maybe finance the new highways with a 100% tax on gun sales instead? LOL.


59 posted on 01/04/2015 1:21:08 PM PST by BobL (REPUBLICANS - Fight for the WHITE VOTE...and you will win.)
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To: BobL
It’s either raising the gas tax OR putting in GPS TRACKING SYSTEMS in people’s cars and using it for tolling,

There is no either/or to that. It is already mandated for 2015 cars and after. The gas tax will be raised along with new monthly bills sent for recorded highway use. I don't remember how long it is until all pre 2015 cars have to be retrofitted or off the road but I believe that is in there, too.

60 posted on 01/04/2015 1:22:19 PM PST by arthurus
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