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“Unbroken”: Angelina Jolie’s great (and boring) blow for Hollywood feminism
Salon ^ | December 26, 2014 | Andrew O'Hehir

Posted on 12/27/2014 6:33:18 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: EEGator

Great movie!


121 posted on 12/27/2014 3:08:43 PM PST by rlmorel (The Media's Principles: Conflict must exist. Doesn't exist? Create it. Exists? Exacerbate it.)
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To: rlmorel
Here is an honest question offered in a spirit of goodwill.

Do you think the movie could have been made without degenerating into “prison porn” but still be true this man's experience?

I don't plan on seeing the movie. Seriously, I don't think that Zamperini’s story could be told without showing the violence, and if they didn't show it, it wouldn't be his life. The violence would be just too much for me, just listening to the audiobook was almost too much.

122 posted on 12/27/2014 3:11:05 PM PST by wintertime
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To: ChildOfThe60s

“...good reason to believe that the bomb(s) resulted in FEWER Japanese casualties than an invasion would have...”

The two atomic bombs killed something like 150 to 200 thousand. I think the firebombing of Toyko almost 100k died in a few days of that campaign. An invasion would have been far more costly to the Japs.

The invasion plan of Japan was called “Operation Downfall”

excerpt:

“Personnel at the Navy Department estimated that the total losses to America would be between 1.7 and 4 million with 400,000 to 800,000 deaths.

The same department estimated that there would be up to 10 million Japanese casualties.”

I’m not sure what percantage of Jap casualties would end up as deaths. A higher percentage than America I would imagine - so at least 2 million. Or - if they went the way of fighting to the death like they did on Iwo Jima - then closer to 10 million.


123 posted on 12/27/2014 3:26:51 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: 21twelve

And yet the revisionist left calls us barbarians for using the bomb. Disgusting.


124 posted on 12/27/2014 3:31:32 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: wintertime

Well, I don’t know what “Prison Porn” is.

But the brutal aspects of what this man went through are key to the story.

If they had fed the man three square meals a day, let him sleep in a featherbed and bathe every day, his forgiveness would have been far less dramatic and amazing.

I understand exactly what you mean...my wife and I discussed it when we found out a movie was being made, and both of us thought “Boy, that is going to be tough. It is all worth it in the end, but the getting to the end is pretty grim.

As far as movies go, “Saving Private Ryan” would not have the impact without the opening 30 minutes, just as “Band of Brothers” really needed the scenes from the Battle of The Bulge and D-Day.

I agree it is likely going to be uncomfortable to watch. I have heard some folks say they can’t watch movies like “Blackhawk Down” because of the portrayals of American servicemen being wounded and killed is more than they can take emotionally.

I respect that people feel that way. In this case, I think they have to show it, but...does that make it “Prison Porn”? I don’t think it does. I think it is a key to understanding.

Louie Zamperini’s life may or may not have been changed by the Olympics or being an AAF aircrew.

He might have never gone back to the Olympics, he might have hurt his legs, he might have had a family and got involved with them, and he might have finished the war as AAF crew without ever having spent a moment in a life raft or under the brutal gaze of a Japanese guard, and we would likely know nothing about him.

But...the floating in that raft, being a prisoner under the most brutal of captors, and finding God in a tent with Billy Graham...THOSE are the things that shaped him for the rest of his wonderful life, and MADE him the man he became. I fully understand they may not focus on his religious conversion the way I would want them to, but I do hope someone seeing the movie might read the book and get that message, it it isn’t conveyed correctly in the movie.

To me, that makes the trying worth it.


125 posted on 12/27/2014 3:32:45 PM PST by rlmorel (The Media's Principles: Conflict must exist. Doesn't exist? Create it. Exists? Exacerbate it.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
I seem to remember hearing about protests when the Enola Gay was unveiled -- the entire aicraft, that is -- at the Udvar-Hazy branch of the Air & Space Museum. I believe even Paul Tibbets himself was confronted with protesters (some were Japanese). Wish I could have been there to have the honor of shaking his hand!

As far as I am concerned, this sums up all I really need to know about the decision to use the atomic bombs:

"Nearly 500,000 Purple Heart medals (awarded for combat casualties) were manufactured in anticipation of the casualties resulting from the invasion of Japan; the number exceeded that of all American military casualties of the 65 years following the end of World War II, including the Korean and Vietnam Wars. In 2003, there were still 120,000 of these Purple Heart medals in stock. There were so many in surplus that combat units in Iraq and Afghanistan were able to keep Purple Hearts on-hand for immediate award to soldiers wounded on the field."
126 posted on 12/27/2014 3:58:30 PM PST by daltec
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To: a fool in paradise

Yeah...Mel Brooks had his two best in the same year

Convert the grosses to 2014 dollars....its huge


127 posted on 12/27/2014 3:58:39 PM PST by Regulator
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Sounds like the movie interrupted young Andrew O'Hehir's love affair with his I-Phone...

Mebbe it hurted his widdle brain, having to actually think, and whatnot, without explosions and impossible acrobats somersaulting from helicopter doors.

128 posted on 12/27/2014 3:59:00 PM PST by kiryandil (making the jests that some FReepers aren't allowed to...)
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To: Lazamataz

Hey Laz, Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Bless your late Mom, she raised a good guy.


129 posted on 12/27/2014 4:01:44 PM PST by MomwithHope (Please support efforts in your state for an Article 5 convention.)
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To: daltec

Ditto


130 posted on 12/27/2014 4:15:41 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: rlmorel; SoFloFreeper
It is, in my opinion, a story about a man who was tested by God, who found his way to God in one of the darkest hours of his life, and was able to forgive those who hated and tortured him, which allowed him to live the rest of his life in happiness and with purpose.

Pretty remarkable story.

I see strong parallels between this and the book of Job.

131 posted on 12/27/2014 4:41:03 PM PST by verga
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To: ErnBatavia
I just got started on it this morning - it’s gonna be a good one.< P>It is one of the most moving books I have read in a long time.
132 posted on 12/27/2014 4:44:03 PM PST by verga
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To: rlmorel; schurmann
My dad, who entered service as the war was coming to a close, made the newspapers around here back in 1995 when he delivered the Memorial Day speech in his hometown, and vigorously defended the dropping of the bomb on the 50th anniversary year. (There was a lot of that pious moral blathering going on that year, IIRC) I have always been inclined to let the validity of the decision lie in the context it was made, and I think that is enough.

David Westheimer, who wrote the novel Von Ryan's Express, wrote a novel called Lighter Than A Feather, a fictionalized treatment of the invasion of Japan.

I read it when I was younger, and was suitably impressed with the appalling aftermath of such an undertaking - particularly amongst the civilian population.

The pious liars can jam it.

http://www.amazon.com/Lighter-Than-Feather-David-Westheimer/dp/1131309553

133 posted on 12/27/2014 4:49:34 PM PST by kiryandil (making the jests that some FReepers aren't allowed to...)
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To: EEGator

Quit being a damned victim. That’s the Left’s job.


134 posted on 12/27/2014 4:51:41 PM PST by Textide (Lord, grant that I may always be right, for thou knowest I am hard to turn. ~ Scotch-Irish prayer)
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To: stanne
Jolie turns that opportunity into two hours of prison porn

After reading the book, seeing your comments, and then watching the movie; I don't think you could be more wrong if you tried.

Given that she only had a little over two and a half hours to tell the story. The high points were all there. His delinquent youth, redemption through sports, the air battles, 47 days on a raft, and brutality of his POW experience.

It might have been a better miniseries, but this movie presented it in such a way that some viewers will want to read the book.

135 posted on 12/27/2014 4:52:27 PM PST by verga
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To: moovova
It can be described in platitudinous terms as being about the resilience of the human spirit, while none-too-subtly making the point that human spirit runs just that little bit stronger in Americans than other people.

Not the kind of attitude I would want with me in a foxhole.

136 posted on 12/27/2014 4:53:15 PM PST by oldbrowser (We have a rogue government in Washington)
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To: rlmorel

Stanley Kaufman....New Republic... worse

Siskel and Ebert were just low wattage red diaper babies


137 posted on 12/27/2014 4:54:55 PM PST by wardaddy (glenn beck is a nauseous politically correct conservative on LSD)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Its nothing to do with gender

That Point Break chick

And Jodie Foster

And more girls

Have made decent film

Hollywood libtards love anything PC behind the movie....


138 posted on 12/27/2014 4:56:58 PM PST by wardaddy (glenn beck is a nauseous politically correct conservative on LSD)
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To: LouAvul; Alas Babylon!; Captain Peter Blood
We had already established air superiority over Japan. Here's a thought: we should have just saturated Japan with conventional bombing runs. Just bomb them back into the stone age. But not drop the nukes yet.

Read "unbroken" as well. There are a lot of details in the book that didn't make it to the screen.

139 posted on 12/27/2014 4:58:56 PM PST by verga
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To: verga

I think you are wrong


140 posted on 12/27/2014 5:00:32 PM PST by stanne
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