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Welfare drug testing pilot program signed into law by Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder ^ | December 26, 2014 | Jonathan Oosting

Posted on 12/26/2014 7:46:20 PM PST by cripplecreek

LANSING, MI — Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder on Friday signed a new law creating a one-year pilot program requiring the Department of Human Services to screen some welfare recipients and test those suspected of drug use.

The program, to be launched by DHS in three or more counties by October 2015, would apply to residents enrolled in or applying for the Family Independence Program.

A recipient who was suspected of drug use and failed an initial test would be referred to a treatment program. Failing a second test, or refusing to take one at all, would result in the termination of benefits.

“We want to remove the barriers that are keeping people from getting good jobs, supporting their families and living independently,” Snyder said in a statement announcing he had signed Senate Bill 275 and House Bill 4118.

“This pilot program is intended to help ensure recipients get the wrap-around services they need to overcome drug addiction and lead successful lives. We’ll then have opportunity to assess effectiveness and outcomes.”

The program won final approval this month in the Republican-led Legislature, where critics argued it would further stigmatize individuals who are already struggling and have not been shown to use drugs at any greater rate than other residents.

The potential fiscal impact of the pilot program is not immediately clear, but DHS will be required to report results and costs back to the Legislature. Unlike an earlier draft, the final version of the legislation did not include a direct appropriation.

Implementing a statewide program could cost between $700,000 and $2.4 million, according to the non-partisan Senate Fiscal Agency, which said any costs or savings for the pilot version would depend on the counties selected and the number of recipients who lose benefits.

Michigan implemented a mandatory welfare drug testing pilot program in 1999, but federal courts quickly struck it down as an unconstitutional and unreasonable form of search.

Suspicion-based programs have survived legal challenges in other states, however, and the new Michigan law requires DHS to use an “an empirically validated substance abuse screening tool” to flag suspected users before any testing.

Snyder, who is reviewing a number of bills sent to him in the final days of the lame-duck session, on Friday also signed a law reconfiguring some requirements for the state’s film incentive program and extending it until at least 2021.

The film credit legislation, sponsored by outgoing Senate Majority Leader Randy Richardville, includes revised rebate limits, requirements for in-state hires and other new personnel rules.

TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: drugtesting; michigan; welfare
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Oh boy did this one stir up a hornet's nest.
1 posted on 12/26/2014 7:46:21 PM PST by cripplecreek
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To: Springman; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; madison10; ...
This one should end up in court before the end of next week.

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2 posted on 12/26/2014 7:48:52 PM PST by cripplecreek (You can't half ass conservatism.)
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To: cripplecreek

Simple: Free money, no drugs.

3 posted on 12/26/2014 7:48:58 PM PST by doc1019
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4 posted on 12/26/2014 7:49:00 PM PST by Steely Tom (Thank you for self-censoring.)
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To: doc1019

You would think it would be easy.

5 posted on 12/26/2014 7:50:25 PM PST by cripplecreek (You can't half ass conservatism.)
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6 posted on 12/26/2014 7:51:51 PM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.- Sarah Palin)
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oh yeah, the dumpRATS are already whining full tilt
7 posted on 12/26/2014 7:52:12 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -w- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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They’re on twitter screeching for Obama to wave his magic wand and make it stop.

8 posted on 12/26/2014 7:54:07 PM PST by cripplecreek (You can't half ass conservatism.)
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To: cripplecreek

Eventually, but I don’t think anyone has standing until the counties have been picked and someone is ordered to be tested. Since this is a Pilot program the “statewide” application is not there and no one has had their rights violated until they have been ordered to be tested. I can see someone alleging that he/she may be ordered to be tested, but that would entail having to admit to drug use as their reason to not want to be tested.

At least that is the way i see it.

9 posted on 12/26/2014 8:00:41 PM PST by usnavy_cop_retired (Retiree in the P.I. living as a legal immigrant)
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To: cripplecreek

I guess some state legislatures stay in session all year long.
We don’t do that here in jawja.

10 posted on 12/26/2014 8:01:23 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: cripplecreek

wont go and here is why. it will only work on white people. any blacks or browns will get the ACLU to sue for racism and profiling, therefore the gutless wonders will cave and do away with it. wanna bet???

11 posted on 12/26/2014 8:04:59 PM PST by fish hawk (no tyrant can remain in power without the consent and cooperation of his victims.)
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To: Repeal The 17th

Yeah Michigan is one of only a couple states with a full time legislature. There is legislation to make them part time that will come up when they return after new years.

They spend so much time in Lansing that they just gotta legislate something.

12 posted on 12/26/2014 8:05:59 PM PST by cripplecreek (You can't half ass conservatism.)
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To: doc1019
On the front it sounds good, but this is not good.

The better idea is to refuse criminals any support, and any home that houses them.

13 posted on 12/26/2014 8:20:58 PM PST by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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They tried that in Chicago housing projects, didn’t work. Criminals, by their very nature, make their money outside the normal channels (welfare is just extra, when they can get it). No one could prove that any criminals were living in a welfare home.

14 posted on 12/26/2014 8:28:33 PM PST by doc1019
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To: cripplecreek

I am 62 and recently retired. for the last 40 something years I have been illegal drug free due to random drug testing to keep gainfully employed.I may have to investigate what this so called wild wood flower is all about.

15 posted on 12/26/2014 8:30:06 PM PST by eastforker (Cruz for steam in 2016)
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This will only affect $ that the recipient gets from the State. FIP goes on their EBT card. It DOES NOT AFFECT FOOD STAMPS (I used to work in the child support area, so naturally I was alarmed that the children would go hungry). It DOES NOT AFFECT THEIR HEALTH CARE. All the other benefits the family gets will remain in effect (hey, look at that! “affect” and “effect” used in the same paragraph correctly!)

I don’t want the children to suffer for their parents’ bad behaviour. I DO want the parents to stop leaving lines of coke on the coffee table for their kids to OD on. I want the parents to stop selling the food they bought with their EBT card for drugs.

And in conclusion...a drug-free parent makes better decisions than a stoned one. Either the kids or the drugs, make your choice, then deal with the consequences. Drug testing is a consequence. Oh, and ya know how you know a parent is doing drugs? When they walk into your office and the whole office reeks of pot...and as a smoker, your smelling is off anyway, but if you can smell’s gotta be bad. I hope they can tie CPS into this program, CPS is where all the drug use will be documented.

16 posted on 12/26/2014 8:35:00 PM PST by blu
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Now police are investigating the Moorman's and other families' use of government housing subsidies - and allowing convicted felons, violent sex offenders, drug dealers and others to live with them. These are all violations of federal housing rules that could result in their evictions or loss of rent subsidies.

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17 posted on 12/26/2014 8:54:53 PM PST by digger48
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Love it ... thanks.

18 posted on 12/26/2014 8:56:16 PM PST by doc1019
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To: blu

Their parents bad choices already affect the kids. Cut off the cash, they will sell the food stamps, free medical? take the kid in till the Dr is convinced (AKA tired of seeing them) the kid needs crazy checks..

I have seen how the system is played... They play it well. If they put half the effort in to a honest days work, they’d be millionaires.

19 posted on 12/26/2014 9:11:22 PM PST by cableguymn (We need a redneck in the white house....)
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It’s called “generational poverty” and yes, there are rules and mores to the game. Moms pass it on to their daughters, who pass it on to the kids. I say moms because in most cases, there is not a father in the home. And I suggest they pick a northern county as a pilot county...we got white welfare queens up here too!

There is a whole subculture to welfare recipients. They operate like a black market. Which explains why they can get drugs.

20 posted on 12/26/2014 9:27:58 PM PST by blu
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