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Sydney says thanks to the cops for bravery in Martin Place siege
news.com.au ^ | 18th December 2014

Posted on 12/17/2014 10:32:54 PM PST by naturalman1975

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To: naturalman1975

You are lying now, no one has asked you for an invitation, no one is asking you to refer anyone, I have seen you do this on this thread and other threads as you will lie your tail off to try to win disagreements, I’m still waiting on your sources from past threads as you claimed you were temporarily away from your historical research and would get back to me as soon as you returned home, etc. etc. .

There is nothing wrong with you posting the name of the forum especially since as you say, it is closed to us anyway.


41 posted on 12/18/2014 1:23:26 AM PST by ansel12
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I am not lying and I’m not going to continue this discussion with you. If you can’t remain civil, there’s little point.

Go ahead - criticise people who put their lives on the lines for other people. I’ll treat such views with the contempt they deserve.

Have the last word if you want it. I’m not going to waste any more time on you.


42 posted on 12/18/2014 1:33:40 AM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: ansel12; naturalman1975

Maybe the reason he can’t tell you the name of the forum is that they’ll put him on double secret probation if he does so.

In fact, maybe he’s already on double secret probation for doing that once before.

He wouldn’t be able to tell you that, being double secret and all.


43 posted on 12/18/2014 1:43:12 AM PST by samtheman
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To: naturalman1975

Sure you are lying, talking to you is like trying to pin down mercury with a thumb, it is impossible to get to the truth.

Anytime some attempts to pin you down on something, you start going into the same song and dance of ‘sources in another country that you don’t currently have access to’ (the UK on that thread), to a secret forum that we can’t even know the name of, because it is too hush hush.

You sound fine until someone starts seeking a little more, then the dance starts.

Since you are a professional military historian, you should have been more informative than you have been on this topic.


44 posted on 12/18/2014 1:48:14 AM PST by ansel12
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To: samtheman

Yep, it’s getting pretty thick.


45 posted on 12/18/2014 1:53:41 AM PST by ansel12
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But about a million Australians own millions of firearms

In 2012, it was 730,000 gun owners, down from 765,000 in 2001, what is it today?

The number of legal firearms in 2012 was 2,750,000.

About 172,000 hand guns are owned by the people.

46 posted on 12/18/2014 2:10:37 AM PST by ansel12
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In 2012, it was 730,000 gun owners, down from 765,000 in 2001, what is it today?

About a million. You get somewhat different figures from different sources - ranging from around 730,000 as you mention from a US study done by the Library of Congress, up to 1.2 million by a 2011 study done here in Australia by Bauer and English, so 'about a million' is a decent midrange figure.

The number of legal firearms in 2012 was 2,750,000.

Close enough - 3 million is a more common estimate, but that's not that different.

About 172,000 hand guns are owned by the people.

That's about right - these get counted properly, because of the category licences and permits, so that's a fairly solid number.

47 posted on 12/18/2014 2:46:20 AM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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Since you are a professional military historian living in Australia, I thought that you would post the precise figures and sources, if you disagreed with the numbers that I found, and preferably for 2013 instead of 2012, as I posted.

As someone who claims to be a professional military historian, you sure seem to dislike to post facts and sources, until you do I will have to stick with the figures that I have seen so far.


48 posted on 12/18/2014 4:20:53 AM PST by ansel12
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To: naturalman1975

I feel like I’m beating my head against a brick wall.


I, for one, appreciate your postings, on this forum - thank you.


49 posted on 12/18/2014 9:59:25 AM PST by jttpwalsh
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