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War on marijuana unconstitutional, doctors testify in federal court Monday
SFGate.com ^ | October 21, 2014 | David Downs

Posted on 10/23/2014 10:51:04 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom

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To: sloop
sigh

lost another friend

on the upside - it was just paultardz and pothedz....

61 posted on 10/23/2014 5:54:30 PM PDT by sloop (don't touch my junk)
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To: sloop
omg i slay me

in such an unmellow kinda way

62 posted on 10/23/2014 5:55:09 PM PDT by sloop (don't touch my junk)
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To: sloop
post 43 was what you horned in on - and was in no way directed to you

Well, then we'll just let you have this thread all to yourself so you can carry on a conversation with the only one in the world who respects your opinion.

63 posted on 10/23/2014 5:58:38 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
i knew you cared

but no guy - sloop don't swang dat way

we could be friends though

64 posted on 10/23/2014 6:09:18 PM PDT by sloop (don't touch my junk)
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To: sloop; tacticalogic
and he did not reply to that post THAT is how that workz

...

and like everyone else on the planet - i ignored you

So, which is it, loopy?

You are dishonest and disingenuous and now everyone here knows it.

Have a nice life, liar.

65 posted on 10/23/2014 6:23:31 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
well now if thatz not the paultard pothed callin the kettle mauve
66 posted on 10/23/2014 6:26:28 PM PDT by sloop (don't touch my junk)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
Didja notice that this thread isn't about the Constitution any more?

Funny how that happens.....

67 posted on 10/23/2014 8:56:38 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: sloop
tell us what you do for the freedom of aborted babies

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3218499/posts?page=2#2
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3217807/posts?page=7#7
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3209449/posts?page=34#34
etc.

posting to the same crowd is ‘doing’

i see

I also support and vote for only pro-life candidates - that's what I'm in a position to do.

Tell us what you do for the freedom of aborted babies.

I missed your answer to this.

68 posted on 10/24/2014 7:13:21 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: vpintheak
Any and every law that has a moral standing is beginning to fall. What’s the point any more? Really? A judge can come in a rule anything and everything “unconstitutional”

Some laws really are unconstitutional - the federal anti-drug laws being just one example.

Proof or its just your opinion?

Here's the proof: The Tenth Amendment says, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people" - and nowhere in the body of the Constitution is the power delegated to the United States to regulate the intrastate making, distributing, selling, buying, or using of drugs.

I feel it is immoral. If most people also feel it is immoral and it becomes a law.

In our constitutional republic, the Constitution is the supreme law of the land, and any lesser laws that exceed Constitutional authority - such as federal anti-drug laws - are illegitimate.

69 posted on 10/24/2014 7:20:37 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: ConservingFreedom

Did you read that Michael Brown, had enough marijuana in his system to cause halucination? Yeah, most articles only reported that there were traces of marijana, but the last autopsy included that tidbit. You see, marijuana is not victimless and until we come up with standards for driving under the influence, operating machinery or making decisions that effect others, marijuana should not be legalized.

Not to mention the fact that marijuana makes you stupid and lazy and doubles the risk of mental illness.


70 posted on 10/24/2014 7:32:06 AM PDT by Eva
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To: ConservingFreedom
In our constitutional republic, the Constitution is the supreme law of the land, and any lesser laws that exceed Constitutional authority - such as federal anti-drug laws - are illegitimate.

And despite the unintended consequences and collateral damage there's a conscious absence of concern about the morality of doing it.

From George Washington's Farewell Address

"It is important, likewise, that the habits of thinking in a free country should inspire caution in those entrusted with its administration, to confine themselves within their respective constitutional spheres, avoiding in the exercise of the powers of one department to encroach upon another. The spirit of encroachment tends to consolidate the powers of all the departments in one, and thus to create, whatever the form of government, a real despotism. A just estimate of that love of power, and proneness to abuse it, which predominates in the human heart, is sufficient to satisfy us of the truth of this position. The necessity of reciprocal checks in the exercise of political power, by dividing and distributing it into different depositaries, and constituting each the guardian of the public weal against invasions by the others, has been evinced by experiments ancient and modern; some of them in our country and under our own eyes. To preserve them must be as necessary as to institute them. If, in the opinion of the people, the distribution or modification of the constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed. The precedent must always greatly overbalance in permanent evil any partial or transient benefit, which the use can at any time yield."

Where is the morality in embracing that permanent evil for a "moral" partial or transient benefit?

71 posted on 10/24/2014 7:38:22 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic

Amen! My favorite President!


72 posted on 10/24/2014 8:13:27 AM PDT by vpintheak (Keep calm and Rain Steel!)
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To: ConservingFreedom

pot has no medical use.


73 posted on 10/24/2014 8:15:17 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Eva
The Tenth Amendment says, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people" - and nowhere in the body of the Constitution is the power delegated to the United States to regulate the intrastate making, distributing, selling, buying, or using of drugs.

In our constitutional republic, the Constitution is the supreme law of the land, and any lesser laws that exceed Constitutional authority - such as federal anti-drug laws - are illegitimate.

The Constitution gives the federal government no authority over any of the matters you address below.

Did you read that Michael Brown, had enough marijuana in his system to cause halucination? Yeah, most articles only reported that there were traces of marijana, but the last autopsy included that tidbit. You see, marijuana is not victimless

Michael Brown's OVERT ACTS victimized others - his hallucinatory marijuana use in and of itself "victimized" only himself; even hallucinations (which also result from alcohol withdrawal, btw) don't inescapably compel one to victimize others.

and until we come up with standards for driving under the influence,

Already done: "there is an established impairment level in Colorado of five nanograms of active tetrahydrocannabinol (THC)—the active psychoactive component of marijuana—per milliliter of whole blood." - http://www.coloradodot.info/programs/alcohol-and-impaired-driving/druggeddriving

operating machinery

Many if not all goverments leave that up to the employers on whose property the machinery is used - as they should.

or making decisions that effect others, marijuana should not be legalized.

Most decisions we make "affect" others - if all of them are government's business, all hail Big Brother.

Not to mention the fact that marijuana makes you stupid and lazy

Since it's not against any law to be stupid and lazy, that is of no relevance to legalization.

and doubles the risk of mental illness.

That's a correlation equally well explained in other ways, e.g., that those predisposed to mental illness may be likelier to want to get high (perhaps in a misguided attempt to self-medicate).

74 posted on 10/24/2014 8:18:13 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: ConservingFreedom

pot has no medical substantiated medical use. Even the vaunted mythical use of the charlette’s web (awww a children book reference) strain is nothing more than a unabashed ploy. (it is legally available in pill form from the pharmacy right now via a dr prescription)


75 posted on 10/24/2014 8:22:24 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: ConservingFreedom

So, are drivers now obligated to do a drug test when stopped for traffic infractions? No, I didn’t think so.


76 posted on 10/24/2014 8:23:03 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva

actually “implied consent” laws mean they ARE required to consent to a test.

It is really simple, just like seizure medications, use pot means no DL.


77 posted on 10/24/2014 8:24:35 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: ConservingFreedom

no travel ban on ebola, but travel ban on pot yeah that’s the ticket!


78 posted on 10/24/2014 8:28:16 AM PDT by rolling_stone (1984)
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To: longtermmemmory

How do they expect inforce it? Do you think that they are going to take everyone who is stopped for a traffic infraction into the station? Are dilated pupils enough to get you pulled into the station?

Ther was a teacher at my son’s high school who used smoke pot on his lunch break, now that will become much more common and there will be little to stop it. The kids actually confronted him about a few times and he just laughed. Public schools are bad enough without high teachers.


79 posted on 10/24/2014 8:33:59 AM PDT by Eva
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To: longtermmemmory
pot has no medical use.

The doctors who will be testifying don't share your ignorance.

"there are patients with debilitating symptoms for whom smoked marijuana might provide relief. [...] Until a nonsmoked rapid-onset cannabinoid drug delivery system becomes available, we acknowledge that there is no clear alternative for people suffering from chronic conditions that might be relieved by smoking marijuana, such as pain or AIDS wasting." - Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base (1999), Institute of Medicine

80 posted on 10/24/2014 8:35:27 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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