'The Chinese fired at my aircraft' (former Indian pilots)

The Daily Mail, UK ^ | September 5, 2014 | GAUTAM DUTT

[sukhoi-30mki]

[GeronL]

Toofani, seriously?

[Darksheare]

Also known as the “Ouragan”.
*shrugs*
It’s a Dassault product, they named it after flatulence.
“ hurricane”, “typhoon”, “ mystery”...

[NonValueAdded]

better than the Gnat!

[GeronL]

lol

[GeronL]

A lot of the early jets looked so similar. Form after function I guess.

If you called it a Sabre or a MiG it might take me a bit to say otherwise.

[Darksheare]

Yes, many took cues from WWII data leftover from the germans.
Like the Messerschmitt p.1101

[GeronL]

Some of them were built before the Germans were defeated though? Not the really good ones but I meant the P-59 and P-80 as examples.

The German data probably helped but I think we would have gotten there eventually

[doorgunner69]

So, why were the Mig-21s not of much use? The North Vietnamese were starting to get some use, or at least the Russians on loan to them were.

Be interesting to know how Pakistan used the F-104. There is a plane of much promise, but little operational employment as far as I know.

[ReaganÜberAlles]

So?

Shoot back.

[NonValueAdded]

"Yep, the Folland Gnat ... armed with a 22 ..."

"millimeter?"

"No, caliber"

[GeronL]

I just found a wiki page for something called the FR-1 Fireball... instigated by an Admiral John S mcCain....

jets AND props....

egads

71 were built but never saw combat and withdrawn in 1947 because of structural problems

[Darksheare]

Even though the Ta-183 huckebein never got beyond small model and mockup stage, it yielded some data.
Kurt Tank himself later went on to build a follow up to the Ta-183 called the “fma pulqui ii”.

But from the data gathered, everyone started building stubby engine stuffed tubes with wings.

[Darksheare]

Oh yeah.
Mixed power was a real thing for awhile.
Russians had a real ugly one too.
Mig i-250, sukhoi su-5 and such.

[Darksheare]

Since they had so few, they couldn’t operate them in combat and keep them flying.
You need a few always ready to sortie while others are being maintained.
9 or so is too few considering combat wear, breakage, and loss.

[Darksheare]

The Lockheed p-80 was interesting.
A kelly johnson product, it went from concept to prototype rapidly.
143 days.

It also killed Richard Ira Bong.

[DTA]

>>>>>>The German data probably helped but I think we would have gotten there eventually<<<<

With the help of German scientists/war criminals brought through Operation Paperclip.

There is a much of speculation about Luftwaffe secret plans, but what is available from reliable sources is awe-inspiring enough. Striking resemblance to B1, B2.

[GeronL]

reading about the Gnat... actually did some damage in the Indian-Pakistan conflicts

[GeronL]

I heard the Thunderscreech could knock out windows and electronics sitting on the ground.

[GeronL]

bump