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Conservatives Won't Win Elections by Refusing To Compromise
Townhall.com ^ | May 28, 2014 | Dr Ben Carson

Posted on 05/28/2014 6:28:32 PM PDT by Kaslin

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To: JRandomFreeper
Carson's point is that we should vote for whichever liberal candidate gets the GOP nomination, regardless of whether that candidate supports abortion or not. It's not going to happen.

You just conceded to the Left - there's nobody who is 100% conservative by the standards set her, ergo, it's best to allow someone who aggressively pushes the homosexual agenda and abortion and is willing to put the force of government behind these sicknesses, than it is to vote for someone who has mostly conservative credentials, but has opined that homosexuals might be OK in certain places, but it's not the government's job to make the call.

161 posted on 05/29/2014 5:29:24 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: CapnJack
Where are the Republicans that agree with conservative values 90% of the time?

You could probably count them on one or maybe two hands.

That is the problem.

The RINO’s as the author calls them, believe in far less than 50% of conservative values at best. And what they do believe in they are all to willing to compromise just to get an honorable mention in the Washington Post.


Reliably? I'd think one hand would suffice.
162 posted on 05/29/2014 5:32:15 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: trebb

Nobody said they wanted perfection but if you go out demanding imperfection, you’ll never get good candidates. The GOPe purists seek to destroy conservatives by pushing memes like that.


163 posted on 05/29/2014 5:33:43 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: trebb
Anyone can have my vote if they are pro-life, pro-2nd amendment, against amnesty, against socialized medicine, and for smaller government. That's all it takes. Perfection is not required.

And most of that is covered by the republican party platform.

The republicans can't even run a presidential candidate that is in accord with the party platform. Why should I vote for them?

I will work tirelessly to see the liberal republicans destroyed in their general elections. The republican party can get conservative or it can be destroyed.

/johnny

164 posted on 05/29/2014 5:35:13 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: tennmountainman
Nor will I. I voted for Dole. I voted for McCain. I voted twice for Bush and I voted for Romney.

And have nothing to show for it. I’m done with voting for RINO’s.


My epiphany came 4 years earlier than did yours; no Romney.
165 posted on 05/29/2014 5:36:12 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: staytrue
I think that when you carefully look at all the candidates, you can scratch them alll off the list.

Not yet. There is still hope.
166 posted on 05/29/2014 5:38:15 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Kickass Conservative
Levin Rule, period.

You won’t have a say in what’s for Dinner if you’re not inside the House. Standing outside screaming isn’t the answer.


Levin hasn't heard us shout loud enough yet!
167 posted on 05/29/2014 5:40:23 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Yogafist
Problem with this scenario is, the red army has been carrying the blue army's flag for way too long. At this point, we need a red army.

Afraid that if Dr. Carson had been in charge of D-Day, he would have chosen Calais. It may have saved many lives but...the war?
168 posted on 05/29/2014 5:42:58 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Kickass Conservative
...figure out how to get YOUR Conservative Republican Primary Candidate into the General Election running against the Democrat.

Could use some help now and then.
169 posted on 05/29/2014 5:48:14 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero

They did that in Virginia for Governor and the GOPe refused to give the same funding and support they had given years earlier. The GOPe lost the governors race on purpose out of spite for conservatives.

And we are supposed to vote for their candidates??

No way


170 posted on 05/29/2014 5:51:06 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: BlackElk
McCain was NOT worth electing.

True enough. But as funny as Joe Biden has been to watch, Sarah would have been kickin' nuts and tweakin' teats and getting ready to succeed.
171 posted on 05/29/2014 5:56:52 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Lazamataz
"If a Republican does the same as a Democrat, there is no point to voting for the different label."

Democrats vote for Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi to lead congress, Republicans don't, 100% of the time. As for the presidency, Democrats vote for higher taxes and more government, always. Do you really want this?

Look at federal tax receipts as a percent of GDP. They went up under Carter, down under Reagan, down again under Bush 41, up under Clinton, Down under Bush 43, and up under Obama:

172 posted on 05/29/2014 5:57:19 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (The Stone Age didnÂ’t end because we ran out of stones)
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To: norwaypinesavage

Except for 2 years, congress was controlled by the dimocrats during Reagan’s 2 terms. When tax receipts as a percentage of gdp went down.

After ‘94, congress was controlled by pubbies during the ‘toon’s term. When tax receipts as a percentage of gdp went up.

Try again.


173 posted on 05/29/2014 6:00:40 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Kickass Conservative; holdonnow
Since you offered a second opinion, I will attempt to find the mystery quote from him saying he officially rescinds his own Rule.

Well, why don't you take it up with Mark himself?

174 posted on 05/29/2014 6:02:03 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Kaslin

The solution to the intractable differences between liberals and conservatives is:
“We have our states, you have yours, and a small federal government we can both tolerate.”

Thus, our offer of compromise to their proposals should be: “Our compromise is to tolerate your proposal being the law in states you control.” (That could be high taxes, socialist medicine, legal pot, welfare for illegals).


175 posted on 05/29/2014 6:19:23 AM PDT by Freeping Since 2001 (Since 2001. Seriously.)
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To: Kaslin; BlackElk; RitaOK; KC_Lion; All

Folks, this is not hard to grasp. It is not complex. Just like Obama zombies, people supposedly calling themselves conservatives want so badly to believe that there is a white knight or the horizon, they are willing to do anything including flush their entire reason for claiming conservatism to get one.

This guy is a very educated man. He makes many good points. He even has flashes of actual conservatism.

He is also a fraud.

A conservative does not preach the Compromise Gospel in the name of winning. A RINO does. A Cheshire Conservative does. Or a Dem when they think they can profit from doing so. If your neighbor told you to compromise your beliefs, would you?

Well? Why not? Many are willing to do it over some guy they only read about or saw on TV. Why not? Why not compromise your under age daughter to the resident sex perv in the park? Don’t get uppity and offended with me unless you can say one ‘principle’ is good to keep and another isn’t. Because that is what Carson and anyone that backs him is saying with this ‘compromise’ crap. Words mean things.

Principles are inviolate. And people that are willing to compromise them away deserve no ‘rights’ at all because in their own spirit of compromise, those are fair game to trade away as well. Can’t have it both ways.

So until any of the compromisers here are willing to address the above, which is a fact based and non-strawman argument, so please spare me that lame ass excuse, they need to go sit in a corner and reevaluate their reason for hanging out on right wing forums. Because they aren’t here to further conservatism and protect our core principles.


176 posted on 05/29/2014 6:22:29 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Kaslin

Not a moron: I did read it, and many other questionable things he’s said and written since he first opened his mouth publicly. He’s like an actor who’s still learning his part.


177 posted on 05/29/2014 7:06:11 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: BlackElk
Eight years of the Medusa and we will be ready to elect the USA's first Demonrat, openly gay, abortion mill owning, gun grabber and then the Churches will be closed and the concentration camps open and flourish.

Even two more years of Dems and all that will have happened anyway, just a lot sooner.

178 posted on 05/29/2014 7:12:12 AM PDT by Kenny
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To: Black Agnes
"Try again."

You're projecting.

Your 'argument' is simply not convincing. It's still a FACT that taxes have gone up when Democrats hold the presidency and they have gone down when Republicans are president, and that Democrats vote for Democrat leaders. You're going to have to do more than wave your hands to provide convincing evidence of anything different.

179 posted on 05/29/2014 7:13:42 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (The Stone Age didnÂ’t end because we ran out of stones)
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To: norwaypinesavage

Presidents only sign or veto legislation passed by congress.

When the president was Republican and the congress was democrat, as in the 1980’s tax receipts as a percentage of gdp went down. When the president was Democrat and the congress was Republican, the opposite happened.

That’s not projection. That’s on the chart you posted.


180 posted on 05/29/2014 7:23:25 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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