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What Does The U.S. Government Want in Ukraine?
Townhall.com ^ | May 13, 2014 | Ron Paul

Posted on 05/13/2014 4:04:09 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Grzegorz 246

The truth is that Russia has advanced since the 90’s, while Ukraine has stagnated.


41 posted on 05/13/2014 5:58:22 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Kaslin

They want to control the life line of energy to Europe.


42 posted on 05/13/2014 5:59:19 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: tcrlaf

“Russia has advanced since the 90’s”

In what ? Internet censorship ? Prices of oil & gas advanced, that’s it. So they can afford better make up now, after half of the money is stolen, there’s still something left for average Ivan. Olympics “cost” them $50 billion, I wonder how much a bridge to Crimea is going to “cost” ? 15 ? 20 ?


43 posted on 05/13/2014 6:03:05 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: elhombrelibre

Russia is a serious country; Poland isn’t.


44 posted on 05/13/2014 7:32:15 AM PDT by varmintman (It must really suck to be a Nazi in Kiev these days...)
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45 posted on 05/13/2014 7:56:12 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: varmintman
~Russia is a serious country; Poland isn't.~ A classic picture, used by smaller E. European countries to mock Polish ambitions and Polish meddling in their affairs. Many sane Poles loves to stick it at their chickenhawks as well.
46 posted on 05/13/2014 8:02:39 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: rbmillerjr

We need neither wimpy leaders of the Clinton-Obama mode nor people who are partying like it’s 1799. The only one who is on the horizon who fits the Reagan mold is Ted Cruz. Please, conservatives, stay out of the way if he decides to run for President.


47 posted on 05/13/2014 8:12:08 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: Alberta's Child
If you were back in 1985 and could see this, which of these two would you assume to be the AMERICAN and CHRISTIAN leader?

Man are you in the wrong century. Here in the 21st century, we do not judge people by what they say or do. We only judge people by how we feel about them or how they make us feel.

48 posted on 05/13/2014 8:13:54 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: Joe Boucher

Coming to a town near you real soon, where American soldiers fire on citizens protesting this damned federal gub mint


Putin is sending Chechen terrorists to us also? Very neighborly of him.


49 posted on 05/13/2014 8:46:49 AM PDT by lodi90
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50 posted on 05/13/2014 8:47:10 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: wetphoenix

Ron Paulistas arent serious conservatives either.

They are serious fruit and nutcakes.


51 posted on 05/13/2014 9:19:21 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: varmintman
Russia is a nation of drunks still ruled by a small clique of thugs. Read the the article at the link and try to learn, try, too, to move beyond philistinism, boorishness, parochialism, and Putinism.

“This made the revolution in Ukraine not only a disaster for Russian foreign policy, but a challenge to Putin’s regime at home. The weakness of Putin’s policy is that it cannot account for the actions of free human beings who choose to organize themselves in response to unpredictable historical events. Russian propaganda presented the Ukrainian revolution as a Nazi coup and blamed Europeans for supporting these supposed Nazis. This version, although ridiculous, was much more comfortable in Putin’s mental world, since it removed from view the debacle of his own foreign policy in Ukraine and replaced spontaneous action by Ukrainians with foreign conspiracies.”

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/117692/fascism-returns-ukraine

52 posted on 05/13/2014 9:58:59 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: Alberta's Child

When you decide, as he has publicly stated, to lead from behind, when you draw lines in the sand and do nothing when those lines are crossed, you become irrelevant as the leader of the free world. Putin is taking advantage of Europe’s naive hopes and Obama’s ignorance.


53 posted on 05/13/2014 10:00:51 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: tcrlaf
Obama is to blame by its negligence, not its destabilization. Putin was losing Ukraine; he knew is he lost Ukraine he too might be held accountable for his own theft from the Russian people.

“This made the revolution in Ukraine not only a disaster for Russian foreign policy, but a challenge to Putin’s regime at home. The weakness of Putin’s policy is that it cannot account for the actions of free human beings who choose to organize themselves in response to unpredictable historical events. Russian propaganda presented the Ukrainian revolution as a Nazi coup and blamed Europeans for supporting these supposed Nazis. This version, although ridiculous, was much more comfortable in Putin’s mental world, since it removed from view the debacle of his own foreign policy in Ukraine and replaced spontaneous action by Ukrainians with foreign conspiracies.”\

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/117692/fascism-returns-ukraine

54 posted on 05/13/2014 10:04:09 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: rbmillerjr

How is it that fringe groups like the Ron Putinistas and the Buchaninistas can take up so much bandwidth and do so much harm by siding anti-American despots? I don’t get it. I’d say they’re plants from the Left out to make conservatives look unpatriotic. What could be worse for American conservatives today than to appear in front of our fellow Americans as supporters of Putin’s hegemony? Who in their right mind would support pan-Russian chauvinism as an American conservative position and think that’s going to get traction with the American public?


55 posted on 05/13/2014 10:08:45 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre

“When you decide, as he has publicly stated, to lead from behind, when you draw lines in the sand and do nothing when those lines are crossed, you become irrelevant as the leader of the free world. Putin is taking advantage of Europe’s naive hopes and Obama’s ignorance.”

I see that we agree on something.

Nature abhors a vacuum. Something is going to fill it.
Obama created the opportunity, and Putin moved on it. I don’t think that ever figured into the Obama Admin’s calculus.


56 posted on 05/13/2014 10:13:32 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: elhombrelibre
Russian literature and music if nothing else guarantee that Russian will still be spoken ten years from now. Polish literature and music??

??????????????????????????????????????????????

I mean, yeah, you've got Chopin who lived most of his life in Paris... is there anything else??

The world is shrinking at an increasing rate. TV and the internet have totally killed the Southern accent in Texas so that you only hear it amongst people over 60 any more; they'll do the same thing to Polish and Ukrainian in less than ten years.

Been listening to any of the interviews from Ukraine? I mean, they're all in Russian. Anybody in Ukraine who isn't retarded speaks Russian now and even the retards will catch up in five years.

In twenty years, these are the languages which the world will need and which will still be spoken other than by historians:

That will be it. English will still be the universal business and social media language and we'll have a rational phonetic alphabet for it by that time.

Polish and Ukrainian will be stone, cold dead.

57 posted on 05/13/2014 11:12:00 AM PDT by varmintman (It must really suck to be a Nazi in Kiev these days...)
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http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-is-redrawing-borders-of-eastern-europe-2014-5?utm_content=buffer726d4&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer


58 posted on 05/13/2014 11:37:00 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre

You are trying to teach the blind how to ride a bicycle. Good luck, LOL.

That was a great essay in New Republic, btw.


59 posted on 05/13/2014 12:17:08 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: lodi90

True. Take care.


60 posted on 05/13/2014 12:33:17 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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