Posted on 04/09/2014 8:18:46 AM PDT by FBD
I think his best bet would have been to have a couple of his sons change their names 30 years ago, get a Greenie degree in bi-gology or some phony "land mismanagement" degree with a minor in poly-sci or social work, and then have them infiltrate the Nevada BLM offices so's they could be in the room when the conspiracy was going down, and maybe get it on tape.
But that's just me, and I like to plan ahead.
Oh, and they would had to scrape off their Clinton-Gore bumper stickers & replace them with Dumb and Dumberer bumper stickers in 2008.
California Watermelons - green on the outside, red on the inside, and dumb all over.
How about when he decided to no longer pay his grazing fees, sell of some of his herd and buy some land that he would own.
I think Bundy is a man that fell for the feds promises hook, line, and sinker and felt betrayed like a man that finds his longtime wife has been cheating behind his back. I do have sympathy for Bundy, he has been lied to and the government has certainly been cheating on him behind his back with liberal anti-ranching nuts for many years. I am mad at the government for doing this to ranchers after many years of promises when the tide turned in favor of liberals the fact is the feds came up with regulation after regulation on the leases until it became impossible for ranchers to comply in areas where they wanted to stop cattle grazing for whatever reason.
I can see both sides of this issue, from what I have found and read the feds do own the land so if they choose to keep ranchers out then they can do that. I also see the point of view of the ranchers that were led down the path of broken promises to financial ruin and the loss of a way of life that is more endangered than most of us realize.
Bundy is old enough to remember when the feds supported ranchers and bent over backwards to lease them land and let the rancher “use it like he owned it” including using the value of it to secure loans and grazing leases were and still are bought and sold with ranches as if owned by the rancher which was recognized by everyone at the time. He is a symbol of the changes that have taken place with the way feds do things and I see him that way as do many others. Bundy decided to stand and fight the changes and his support is based on that more than the legalities of ownership or lease or any other tangible thing.
My grandfather did not trust the government because during the Depression the feds bought his cattle (it was a program to help ranchers since there was no real market for their cattle) and after they paid for them they shot them and left them to rot on his ranch while people in cities were starving and giving up their children because they could not feed them. My grandfather had a deep hatred for the government after that, he felt the cattle should have been used to feed those that were starving. It was perfectly legal for the government to buy my grandfather’s cows and kill them and let them rot but it wasn’t right. It is likely perfectly legal for them to do what they have done and are doing to Bundy but that doesn’t make it right.
OK, enough of your BS clown show, you idiot.
Your home page shows that you pretend to live in Colorado.
Exactly how long after you or any other Colorado peasant failed to pay The King's Rent (property taxes) on property that you "owned" would the true owner sell it out from under you?
In my state, it's around 18 months. REGARDLESS of your property equity.
You owe the TRUE OWNERS 500 bucks in taxes, and you "have" a paid-off $200,000 property - it's theirs, b*tch.
You can stuff your $199,500 where the sun don't shine.
I tire of the Statist cheerleading.
We must withdraw.
The Feds don’t sell their land, that is a big part of the problem.
“You owe the TRUE OWNERS 500 bucks in taxes, and you “have” a paid-off $200,000 property - it’s theirs, b*tch.”
-I’ve been thinking about moving to Ukraine, because, unlike here, the lowly peasants don’t take kindly to their Oligarchs. I hear it’s lovely this time of year. :-)
Of course, becoming a large contributor to Dingy's re-elections would likely suffice for calling off the dogs.
The principle of enumeration means “you can only do what is on a list; there is no authority for other activity; thereby, government is limited to only perform the activities on the list.”
The concept of due process, is that you properly followed the steps on that list.
Federal agents are *required* to act -— to use specific authority -— according to the list, and federal agents *must* be able to cite for you, each federal statute that authorizes them to take the action that they might take and/or are taking ... if you have the presence of mind to know this and ask a federal agent to state his/her authority from the federal statutes.
We were trained, as federal agents, to take the lead on that, and inform people, by identifying ourselves -— using 2 photo id’s -— and then citing the federal statutes that authorized our presence and activities so far ... and other actions that we might take.
Because, at all times, we had the responsibility to observe due process and your rights, by sticking to the activities *enumerated* by federal law.
“taxcontrol” - your remark (in your reply 295, above):
“Once the limits of the enumeration have been met, there are no other limits on those powers.”
... is incorrect.
There is *no authority* beyond and outside of what is lawfully enumerated and thus lawfully authorized.
Your concept advocates unlimited government authority except where specifically narrowed by what you incorrectly call “enumeration.”
While I was a federal agent, I had the unfortunate opportunity to observe a fellow agent abuse his authority -— using your misconception.
That’s good information to know.
Thank you.
Tried to explain that to him.
Some folks are always trying to ice skate uphill though.
Freegards...
Several ways to break that agreement but the quickest is don’t pay your lease. This is what MR. Bundy did and now we see the results.And it's astonishing to me how people here on FR want to support this simply because it's the Feds that own the land.
The fact that it’s taken 20 years for this to come to a head amazes meI'm of the opinion that the BLM is being way too nice with this guy.
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