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The GM Scandal Is Worse Than You Think
Townhall.com ^ | April 4, 2014 | David Harsanyi

Posted on 04/05/2014 8:44:43 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Texas Fossil

Good flower bed


21 posted on 04/05/2014 10:46:58 AM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: Cen-Tejas

Never thought of that. hee hee hee

Not sure it is worth hauling to the wrecking yard. It looks good, motor still intact and reliable. But with no transmission, is worthless.


22 posted on 04/05/2014 11:20:54 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: Fresh Wind

Looked like the Toyota stopped to me, just took more distance.
And he was only using his left leg which is likely weaker.


23 posted on 04/05/2014 11:25:17 AM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: Fresh Wind

BS to your BS.

Unless someone’s dumb enough (why?) to intentionally fade the brakes by repeatedly applying and disengaging them against full-throttle acceleration (yes, you can intentionally damage your brakes that way). What the fool in the video did. (Again, why?)

Simple question: What’s the 0-60 vs. 60-0 time of your car? There’s your answer to brakes vs. engine. Brakes win. Every time.

OTOH, there’s no protection against being stupid. A Darwin Prize awaits.


24 posted on 04/05/2014 12:46:49 PM PDT by Moltke (Sapere aude!)
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To: Kaslin

NASA did a cool DPA on the Toyota throttle assembly and control


25 posted on 04/05/2014 12:58:32 PM PDT by Dawggie
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To: Kaslin; et al

As I recall, the fed gov undertook the operation of a Nevada whore house some time back with the resultant F.U.B.A.R. result. (pun?)


26 posted on 04/05/2014 3:50:48 PM PDT by S.O.S121.500 (Had Enough Yet ? ........................ Enforce the Bill of Rights ......... It's the LAW !!!)
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To: nascarnation
Looked like the Toyota stopped to me, just took more distance

The difference between 140 feet and 500 feet can be the difference between life and death.

And once the brakes were pumped (depleting the vacuum in the power brake accumulator), the car wouldn't slow down at all (unless the engine was shut off altogether).

27 posted on 04/05/2014 5:12:42 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Moltke
Unless someone’s dumb enough (why?) to intentionally fade the brakes by repeatedly applying and disengaging them against full-throttle acceleration (yes, you can intentionally damage your brakes that way). What the fool in the video did. (Again, why?)

What the "fool" did in the video was to demonstrate a worst case possibility in a car he didn't own, so he wasn't worried about damage.

And he also demonstrated that the problem was fixed by Toyota through a relatively simple software change.

This wasn't a matter of fading the brakes, it was causing the power assist to stop working by bleeding off the vacuum that couldn't be replenished because the engine was at full throttle. It's the same thing that happened in olden times with vacuum-operated wipers. They worked fine at idle and low-throttle cruise, but when accelerating, they slowed down to practically nothing.

The point of the video, which you apparently missed, was that in a panic situation, a not-so-strong driver could have had a very difficult time stopping the car if the throttle was stuck open. Toyota did find that some of their cars did have pedal assemblies that had a tendency to stick, and they also had problems with floor mats getting out of place.

The bottom line is that Toyota recognized their problem, and took the necessary actions to fix them, unlike GM, which tried to avoid the problem while their customers were dying on the road.

There's no question that politics entered into this, both in the publicity over the problem and the fine that was levied on them.

But it's not valid to claim that there was no underlying problem with Toyotas, as many people seem to believe.

28 posted on 04/05/2014 5:48:55 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Oldexpat

The only American vehicle that I would buy again is a Ford F-150. It is a great pickup truck.


29 posted on 04/05/2014 6:51:24 PM PDT by cpdiii
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To: Kaslin
I'd like to buy an early 70s Pontiac, one of the cars I wanted but couldn't afford when I was younger, and restore it, bringing the paint, interior and systems up to 2014 standards.

But, no matter how much I'd like to have something like a new Corvette, there's no way I'd buy a new GM car or truck.

I went from the "Chevrolet's the only way" of my youth to "No way I'd buy a Chevrolet" today.

GM took a bite from the apple, liked it, then ate the whole thing and now the poison flows freely in their veins, killing the good while rewarding the bad.

None for me, thanks. Trying to quit.

30 posted on 04/06/2014 9:27:26 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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