Posted on 04/05/2014 6:56:40 AM PDT by Fennie
Interesting that the term Putinista’s is being used by folks like you on several sites and the same junk spewing from their mouths as you and your’s are doing here on FR.
Game is up! You are trying to cause division imo and it’s just not working.
There is no work underway at this time to reverse the flow. At this time, Western Europe is a natural gas importer from the same pipeline.
Maybe one day, years from now after other pipelines and LNG import terminals. But it will be many years from now..
So when does Chechnya get self determination?
Chechnya was an independent state after Boris Yeltsin allowed it to separate. They had a President, and some sort of a government. However the government quickly unraveled; the country became a large safe house for criminals. One day a large, organized Chechen army crossed the border and invaded Dagestan (a province of Russia.) The rest is history. Today Chechnya, as part of Russia, has a stable government. It may become independent again, at some future time, on condition that it behaves as it is proper for a country. But this is not going to happen tomorrow because Russia invests a lot of money into Chechnya; independence is simply not profitable today.
When will Konigsberg be returned to Germany?
As soon as Germany brings back to life everyone who they killed in the World War II? Actions have consequences; otherwise the next generation would be eager to repeat mistakes of the previous one.
I am well aware of the Chechen war. There are nearly 200 nationalities in Russia. Apparently you haven’t noticed that none of them other than Russians get self determination.
Putin is doing what my 5 year old does. He says what’s mine is mine and what’s yours in mine. You object to what the Chechens did but have no problem with Putin’s terrorist assault on Ukraine. FRiend, there is some serious cognitive dissonance going on in your Russophile positions.
Communists murdered over 100 million people in the last century. If Germany is responsible for Nazis then Russia is equally guilty of those murders. Also, the USSR directly supported the Nazi war machine during Molotov-Ribbentrop. Mother Russia has the blood of millions on its hands if you want to play that historical game.
Ignore facts that do not support your pro Russian day dreams if you want. Nobody who knows their history is buying what you are selling.
The US does not have operational LNG export terminals at this time. There was a tiny one running in Alaska for decades, but has shut down for lack of natural gas source.
There are a few approved, but not yet constructed. They are previous LNG import terminals but the process units to chill large volumes of natural gas down to -260°F have not been built yet.
https://www.ferc.gov/industries/gas/indus-act/lng/lng-approved.pdf
Others are proposed.
https://www.ferc.gov/industries/gas/indus-act/lng/lng-proposed-potential-import.pdf
Potentially, many more:
https://www.ferc.gov/industries/gas/indus-act/lng/lng-export-potential.pdf
The Father of History thus enunciates The First Rule of International "Law".
“an inhouse decision by the KGB leaders, as they were the only ones with the real information and numbers that showed them collapse was only months away.”
After Brezhnev’s death, The Soviet Party started to fracture along two lines, the hard-liners who wanted to still compete with the west militarily, and those who understood that economic implosion was nearing, and wanted to move to stop it.
Andropov, as Chairman of the KGB, knew exactly what was coming, and tried to take steps to stop it. He traveled extensively, and knew the west. He asked that Mikhail Gorbachev (then known as a competent economist and administrator, as well as a reformer) be appointed as his successor, but that was ignored by the Supreme Soviet, especially the hard-liners.
Had this advice been followed, instead of appointing another hard-line red, Chernenko, it is likely that the eventual breakup wouldn’t have been as harsh, and likely earlier, but that is just conjecture.
It was certainly an “interesting” time to be involved in intelligence, that’s for sure.
Indeed, none of them, except: Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Byelorussians, Ukrainians, Moldovans, Uzbeks, Kazakhs, Tajiks, Turkmen, Armenians, Georgians, Azerbaijani... did I forget anyone? Notice also that national regions within Russia have autonomy; they are members of Russian Federation - here is the map. Crimea will become another autonomous republic.
I have no intent to deify Russia here. My point is simple and abstract:
a) You, as a territory, may become an independent country.
b) You, as an independent country, will be judged and dealt with as an independent country.
Nothing else. So what do we see here? Chechnya *was* independent. I don't think you are debating this point. Then, as an independent country, they invaded a neighbor. What, in your opinion, would happen if any country invades another? What, in your opinion, would happen if that country loses the war? My answer to that is simple: it loses whatever the victor wants. In particular, it may lose its independence, by being carved out into smaller countries (see Austro-Hungarian Empire) or absorbed into another country (many examples, like Golan Heights, or East Prussia, or Puerto Rico.) Often the goal of control over the defeated enemy is not just to own whatever wealth it has, but also to prevent hostilities in the future by installing a friendly government.
The situation that we saw first in Chechnya and now in Ukraine is not necessarily related to the big, bad nothern bear. The root of the problem is that they were, or are, failed states. Chechnya was an obvious threat, and that had to be eliminated. (Would you want to have a Chechnya-like state on the US border? Fortunately, Mexico is not there yet.) Ukraine was a lingering, on and off, concern about the status of Russian military bases in Crimea. (For a while that concern was alleviated by money that Russia sent to Ukraine.) The rest of Ukrainian problems are largely domestic - all the governments in Kiev consisted primarily of thieves, and the most recent one does not appear to be much different. We will hear more from Ukraine.
Uzbeks. They are the weak link in the great chain of socialism.
Am seeing you have been replying more. This is good. You are making some sense but forget-about-it on Ukraine. If you want or live there, you fight for Ukraine. Don’t know where you are from and for that matter, it does not matter. I do recognize your tactics though. Opinions are opinions and with gleaming nothing is learned from your breaking the news. Am glad to see though you do have an opinion even if is seldom expressed. Says you might be a possible American though am still doubtful.
You are wrong. That is just you trying to spread fear, uncertainty, and doubt (FUD) as an effort of disinformation to benefit the Russian aggressions. Efforts to arrange reverse gas flows in the pipelines have already been underway since 2009, and those efforts have been given new urgency this year.
Ukraine accuses Slovakia of blocking reverse gas flow
English.news.cn 2014-04-04 23:22:27
BRATISLAVA, April. 4 (Xinhua) — Ukrainian Minister of Energy and Coal Industry Yuriy Prodan has accused Slovakia from blocking the launch of reverse gas flows across its territory to Ukraine, spokesman of Slovakia’s gas-pipeline operator Eustream told Xinhua on Friday
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2014-04/04/c_126358436.htm
The parliament’s amendments put heavy emphasis on improving pipelines, such as the Yamal pipeline between Poland and Germany, to allow bi-directional flows in the event of a crisis.
“With reverse flow technology, Germany would be able to export to Poland should there be a problem between Ukraine and Russia in the future,” said Vidal-Quadras.
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/eus-gas-crisis-plan-clears-first-hurdle-62035.html
Gearing up for gas emergencies - 16/07/2009
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The EU is also diversifying its gas suppliers. The EU recently signed an agreement on the construction of the Nabucco pipeline, which will supply the union with gas from central Asia via Turkey.
UPDATE 2-Slovak PM says Russian gas supplies cut likely soon
Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:17pm EDT
Slovakia, which gets virtually all of its gas from Russia, is proceeding with plans to secure diversified routes for gas deliveries to avoid a repeat of the crisis, Fico said.
The central European country then averted an even worse hit by securing emergency gas supplies through a reverse flow in the pipelines that normally transit gas from the east to the west.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/06/22/eu-gas-slovakia-idUSLM44667820090622
Gazprom says “reverse flow” gas for Ukraine raises legal questions
MOSCOW, April 5 Sat Apr 5, 2014 5:05am EDT
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/05/ukraine-crisis-gazprom-idUSL5N0MX04O20140405
I’m trying to cause division? How? By not supporting a Russian President for Life, an autocrat worth $75 billion? By not wanting a richer country like Russia to destroy its weak and smaller neighbor? By not advocating that Putin’s corruption of the Russian Orthodox Church be a model elsewhere? By not wanting a statist Russian empire based on pseudo conservative values to spread? By seeing through the gangsgter statesman, Putin? By bringing rational skepticism to any discussion of a former 16 year plus KGB Colonel who took over his nation through a series of crisis created by the Russian secret police? Buddy, I think you’re causing the division because FReeRepublic still stands for the rule of law and human freedom, not the worship of a foreign tyrant.
“Your’s”? Where did you learn English, comrade? Not your first language, is it, comrade Boris?
You cause division by purposely saying things which simply are not true about people here on FR.... I am left to assume that perhaps you yourself suffered under Putin’s hand or your family members have, because there is no way to otherwise understand your remarks..
The recent former President of the Ukraine is reported to have absconded to Russia and is probably responsible for $36 billion being missing from the country’s treasury. Sounds like Russia was happy to help.
You and I are talking about two different things.
I am talking about continuous supply.
You are talking about filling a gap during a short-term block of supply.
Western Europe does not have the natural gas supply to provide for themselves, let alone added supply for others.
“You and I are talking about two different things.”
Wrong again, we’re talking about the EU plans to replace the Russian natural gas supplies with non-Russian supplies in short term, mid-term, and long term time frames.
“I am talking about continuous supply.”
Continuous supplies of natural gas from non-Russian suppliers is precisely what the EU has already been working on since Putin’s Russian regime invaded and conquered parts of Georgia in 2009. Many of the EU member states have been dragging their heels, but the Russian invason and annexation of the Ukraine’s autonomous Republic of the Crimea and further ominousw threats against other neighbor states such as the Balitc states has blasted those stubborn heels loose. Even though these EU states are being relatively quiet about there plans with regard to replacing the Russian supplies, they are working furiously behind the scenes in numerous cases to find full alternatives to those Russian natural gas supplies. They are meeting with the ooil and gas companies in quiet meetings to persuade them about the necessity of risking the loss of their investments in the Russian development projects. In their place are a portfolio of initiatives the general public has not heard about yet, but are a incresed hot topic under discusison within the oil and gas industry.
“You are talking about filling a gap during a short-term block of supply.”
Filling the immediate short term gap is, of course, a vital necessity and steppingstone towards accomplishing any mid-term and long-term objectives. As the articles I cited had to say, the EU was making plans for a continuous supply of natural gas to the EU, Slovakia, the Ukraine, and others.
“Western Europe does not have the natural gas supply to provide for themselves, let alone added supply for others.”
The EU does have its own supplies of natural gas, but they are a net importer because they chose to not pursue domestic alternatives and alternative foreign supplies, because Russia offered what seemed to be less expensive opportunities. Those opportunities are now not such a great deal any longer no matter what discounted prices Russia may offer as an incentive. So, the EU since 2009 and now with greatly renewed urgency is working towards several alternative solutions ranging from the Arctic to North Africa, the Eastern Mediterraean, and the Caspian fields. The United States can also provide some LNG to supplement the other efforts in the not to distant future, especially from Cheniere, whose shares we have owned from time to time.
Europe’s Energy Security: Options and Challenges to Natural Gas Supply Diversification
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/row/R42405.pdf
Hitler never mistreated me and I’d like to have taken a ball bat to him. You talk like it’s all academic unless all the injury and grievance is personally experienced. Much of Europe is going to be much worse because of Putin. That you can be sure of. He’s not some hero like you and other Putinistas claim. You should be ashamed for being the bullies propagandist. These poor weak countries do not deserve to be dragged back into Emperor Putin’s empire. Do you only care about crime when you are personally impacted? Do you think it’s grand when a big young bully beats up a weak old man? Your Putin worship makes me sick. You’re like the leftist who blindly praise Obama.
Since 2009, the EU has worked with Russia to build more natural gas pipeline from Russia to supply Europe with Natural Gas. I see they have been growing not shrinking their supply from Russia.
I am not claiming it is in their best interest, but it appears to be what they are doing.
German Companies Remain Supportive of South Stream Gas Pipe
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/german-companies-remain-supportive-of-south-streamgas-pipe/497576.html
Europe energy: Russian addiction, American seduction
http://www.euronews.com/2014/04/02/europe-energy-russian-addiction-american-seduction/
In 2009, Russia hit Europe where it hurt when it cut the supply flow through Ukraine in a price dispute with Kyiv. European industry and households ran short, and the winter was colder than usual.
Both the EU and Russia are dependent on fixed pipelines for the transit of gas. But now shale gas extraction in the US makes it a potential exporter in liquefied form (known as LNG). Rather than reduce dependence on Russia, Europe developed new plans to go around Ukraine as a transit country.
Russia’s Gazprom is the majority shareholder of Nord Stream, a pipeline through the Baltic Sea; German companies own the next-largest share, then the Dutch and French.
The South Stream system to pipe Russian gas westward through the Black Sea is a Russian, Italian, French and German project (under construction). So is Nabucco, a joint venture by Turkey, Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary and Austria to pipe Central Asian gas.
Re your #9. How about US LNG/
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