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Travis L. Gosa, Ph.D., is assistant professor of Africana Studies at Cornell University, where his research focuses on racial inequality and African-American youths.
1 posted on 03/30/2014 8:06:49 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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Let’s be clear, there is no evidence that black four- and five-year-olds are baby thugs.

Let's be clear, anyone can say the same thing about grossly disproportionate crime rates by blacks of jr. high and high school age, perhaps even worse than the adult male black population.

There are zero facts supporting the pollyana arbitrary assertion that black male pre-schooler behavior is any different.

90 posted on 03/30/2014 10:01:49 AM PDT by publius911 ( At least Nixon had the good g race to resign!)
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Black students, particularly Black boys, are most likely to be suspended, expelled, and referred to law-enforcement.

True. And the reason is black parents do a horrible job socializing their sons. This has nothing to do with the schools...

92 posted on 03/30/2014 10:06:15 AM PDT by GOPJ (Save Your Country , Fire A Democrat - freeper molso209)
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93 posted on 03/30/2014 10:07:00 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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Non-PC logic tells me that either black parents, through lack of discipline and poor example, are responsible for the behavior of their kids,or there really is a genetic predisposition that causes blacks to act out more than their asian and white contemporaries.

Since asians, who have been persecuted and abused just as much as blacks in the post Civil War period, do not have this problem, quite the opposite in fact, one wonders what the real cause is.

Charles Darwin please pick up the white courtesy phone...


95 posted on 03/30/2014 10:09:00 AM PDT by Chuckster (The longer I live the less I care about what you think.)
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For that “take it with a grain of salt” quote...you can find studies to back literally ANY viewpoint you hold on ANY topic, so this proves NOTHING. Being an educator for several years (over 2 decades) black, fatherless boys have a LOT more behavior problems and to even refer them for treatment is viewed as racist.


102 posted on 03/30/2014 10:20:19 AM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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1) Some black children are suspended, but most are not. Is that random chance, or is something different about their conduct? What might that be?
2) Child behavior problems often arise from violence, turmoil, etc. in their homes. Does Professor Gosa argue that black children are NOT disproportionately affected by that?
3) Another big factor is low IQ, which is known to affect certain communities more than others. I don’t see any mention of these factors in Professor Gosa’s analysis of disciplinary “disparities”. A valid study would compare the behavior and discipline of children from similar socioeconomic circumstances and IQ levels.
4) Gosa makes no mention of actual studies involving observation of children’s conduct. Bias might be documented by placing video cameras in multiple classrooms at multiple schools without the knowledge of the teachers, etc. Reviewers can then identify problem conduct on the tapes without knowing what action was taken. Then disciplinary results can be compared. If this show a long-term pattern of well-behaved black children being disciplined, and/or poorly behaving whites getting a pass, then you have something.
5) Comparison of disciplinary results alone indicates that the whole thing is bogus. Gosa is either an idiot or dishonest. He obviously cares nothing for children if he thinks letting them run wild is to their benefit, or that the other kids can learn anything amid chaos. He needs to take a seat and grow up.


104 posted on 03/30/2014 10:28:04 AM PDT by Chewbarkah
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Let’s be clear, there is no evidence that black four- and five-year-olds are baby thugs.

Wrong...

My evidence is from my own experience. I was in kindergarden in 1959. There were three black kids in my class. Pure and simple, they were all thugs. They were 5 and they were thugs. I could go on about what they did in the class, on the playground and on the way home. But suffice it to say, they were thugs.

And 1959 was when things were "good".

105 posted on 03/30/2014 10:31:10 AM PDT by super7man
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Notice the stats shift?

Talks about the percent of blacks suspended then says total percent over nonviolence. What’s the percent of black violence suspensions versus white?

The better question is why whites, asians, and hispanics capable of better behavior?


111 posted on 03/30/2014 10:43:07 AM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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Stop harassing and attacking those who “act white” and you’ll reduce the prison end of the pipeline.


119 posted on 03/30/2014 11:01:24 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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This is really sad. Not a word of accountability about no fathers in the home, the effects of careless behavior by the parents, intergenerational poverty on kids, the decline in church attendance, the influence of rap and hip-hop, the drugs in the neighborhoods, etc etc.

I mentored a black child. I visited his house. There were no sheets on the bed, no washing machine, no books. All the children slept on one pee-stained mattress. By the time he was 6, his mother had produced several other children by several different men, and the latest one had killed the baby in the crib and blamed in on the 6-year-old child, who had to undergo police questioning. Wonder how his attitude in school went the next morning?

This is just sad.

127 posted on 03/30/2014 12:44:51 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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"Fear of black children can make Trayvon Martin’s Skittles and a hoodie seem like an eminent threat..."

The author is either stupid or dishonest.

150 posted on 03/30/2014 5:18:39 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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Fear of black children can make Trayvon Martin’s Skittles and a hoodie seem like an eminent threat
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The author lost me here ... actually I just skimmed the article because I’m tired of this line of thinking ...

NOTE TO AUTHOR: Trayvon was a threat because he was kicked out of his south Florida school for burglary and he was casing homes in a decent subdivision ... he was caught by George who DID NOT FOLLOW Trayvon but only observed from a distance ,, on a phone call Trayvon let his fat low-IQ GF browbeat him into going back and violently confronting George (on is phone were gangster photos of Saint Trayvon posing with a gun and such),, pounding someones head into a sidewalk is not exactly friendly behaviour.


151 posted on 03/30/2014 5:25:32 PM PDT by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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