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Russia, Putin, Ukraine: Some Background

Posted on 03/18/2014 9:10:05 PM PDT by varmintman

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To: kabar

Your comments are full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.


181 posted on 03/19/2014 12:09:18 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah
You failed to answer my questions. Do you support the violent overthrow of this Administration since they are "enemy combatants?"

Your comments are full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Obviously this describes you. Are you afraid to back up your tough talk with action?

182 posted on 03/19/2014 12:35:35 PM PDT by kabar
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To: quadrant

The speech was made without prior coordination or consultation with Wilson’s counterparts in Europe. Clemenceau, upon hearing of the Fourteen points, was said to have sarcastically claimed The good Lord only had ten!


183 posted on 03/19/2014 12:38:35 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Did I even suggest a violent overthrow? What are you, an agent provocateur or something?

PS - I don’t waste my valuable human life dithering with people who are so angry they can’t think straight, use straw men, try to provoke others, have ulterior motives, and/or a host of other character flaws.


184 posted on 03/19/2014 12:47:45 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: kabar

“are full of sound and fury, signifying nothing”

You haven’t recognized W.Shakespeare’s quote?
I guess not.

Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury
Signifying nothing.

— Macbeth


185 posted on 03/19/2014 12:50:02 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: kabar

I am in disbelief that you are calling this “free speech” and a “civil liberty”.

People do not have the right to break into a church, disrupt people praying, shouting obscenities, blasting rock music, mocking the believers and breaking into the sanctuary with the altar. You realize they did this in a cathedral?

That is a criminal act and absolutely deserves prison time.

Do you not understand or respect the concept of a holy place?

Would you call it “free speech” if they did this to your church?

Really not interested in discussing it further.


186 posted on 03/19/2014 12:56:42 PM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: rbmillerjr
"The West has surpassed the Soviets/Russians in every category"

Indeed. The Crimea population had the choice to express their choice in a referendum. Crimea was not "annexed", as a republic it asked to join the Russian Federation, where there are many other regions affiliated.

The Hawaii population never had that chance. They were simply annexed , by a vote of the US Congress... To refresh your failing memory, when you preach moral superiority:

"The Hawaiian islands were the clear choice to for bases during the Spanish-American War in 1898, and this time Congress moved to annex the Hawaiian islands by Joint Resolution, a process requiring only a simple majority in both houses of Congress. On July 12, 1898, the Joint Resolution passed and the Hawaiian islands were officially annexed by the United States."

--National Archives website

187 posted on 03/19/2014 1:00:36 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: little jeremiah
Did I even suggest a violent overthrow? What are you, an agent provocateur or something?

You are frightened, little boy. Here are some of things you said that indicate you consider the current administration to be the enemy and more dangerous than any other enemy we have:

Secondly, and this is vital, the current administration in our country is headed by an enemy combatant and everyone hired or appointed by this enemy combatant is similarly an enemy of Constitution and all that is good in America.

The fedgov at this point is so removed from representing my interests, or the interests of any sane or moral American, that they are much more dangerous to the interests of the USA than any other foreign country.

What happens in my country is my business and if We the People don’t do something soon, we’re going to have a replay of Stalinist type slaughter and repression in the future.

I am concerned about the human rights and Constitution violations that are increasing pedal to the metal in the USA, and the commie/moslem/faggot/racist/thug who is illegally in the WH and vigorously destroying our country along with all the Dems, with the Rs acting for the most part, as passive enablers.

So frightened little Jerry, what do you propose we do about the "commie/moslem/faggot/racist/thug who is illegally in the WH.?"

Crickets....

188 posted on 03/19/2014 1:04:45 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Mount Athos
That is a criminal act and absolutely deserves prison time.

We will just agree to disagree. It doesn't deserve two years in prison.

FYI: I have been to Mount Athos.

189 posted on 03/19/2014 1:08:21 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

I’m not a masochist; go find another fool to attack.


190 posted on 03/19/2014 1:41:19 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: kabar

Yeah, well Clemenceau deserves a lot of the blame for WWII.


191 posted on 03/19/2014 1:43:20 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: little jeremiah
I’m not a masochist; go find another fool to attack.

One fool at a time is enough.

192 posted on 03/19/2014 2:06:23 PM PDT by kabar
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To: dfwgator
Yeah, well Clemenceau deserves a lot of the blame for WWII.

Do you mean France?

I think most of the blame still goes to Hitler and Germany in Europe and Japan in the Far East.

193 posted on 03/19/2014 2:09:21 PM PDT by kabar
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To: dfwgator; Mount Athos
"And Hitler wasn’t German" =========================>

He was an Austrian Born - German.

For all practical purposes, he was German, though sometimes people (elders) say he was Austrian.

He was German through and through. Some Germans (elders) still try to say he wasn't German - he was.

194 posted on 03/19/2014 2:16:03 PM PDT by hummingbird (Mark Levin and Article 5. Period.)
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To: hummingbird

Austria - Still trying to convince the world that Beethoven was Austrian, and that Hitler was German.


195 posted on 03/19/2014 2:17:21 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Girlene; KOZ.
"There is nothing to admire in Putin. He is a KGB thug who has somehow managed to acquire great wealth during his “reign”. He is a narcissistic fool running around pretending to save people from attacking tigers, etc. He is an unconvincing liar claiming that he is saving Crimea/Ukraine Russians from fascists as he invades a sovereign nation."

"People may admire Putin because he is decisive, he knows how to use his power/influence. The same could be said for any number of powerful leaders - Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, etc."

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I would not be surprised if he goes further than Crimea.

He is a Sneaky Pete.

You can take a man out of the KGB...

...but you can't take the KGB out of the man.

I'd like to be wrong, but I am not really optimistic at this point.

Girlene, love your tag!

196 posted on 03/19/2014 2:31:27 PM PDT by hummingbird (Mark Levin and Article 5. Period.)
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To: kabar

I wised up.


197 posted on 03/19/2014 2:34:54 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: hummingbird
I would count on him attempting to go farther. He's ambitious and hasn't paid much of a price for his current moves. Sounds like he's putting the moves on Estonia. Russia has been using "influence operations" there for some time.
198 posted on 03/19/2014 2:53:01 PM PDT by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: arthurus
"Well, you know what happened when they managed to get into the appropriate positions in the seminaries."

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The Purple Seminaries.

Many worthy seminarians opted out of their calling so rampart were the Purple Seminaries.

Really tragic. A debasement of our culture.

199 posted on 03/19/2014 4:51:07 PM PDT by hummingbird (Mark Levin and Article 5. Period.)
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To: Marguerite
"Poland meanwhile, imports about 70% of its gas from Russia, as well as Hungary, the Czech Republic and Slovakia. It’s been like that since the existence of Warsaw block, and it hasn’t changed in 25 years, only increased."

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Couldn't that pipeline be opened here? Could we sell gas to Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic and Slovakia and still have enough for US?

200 posted on 03/19/2014 5:05:41 PM PDT by hummingbird (Mark Levin and Article 5. Period.)
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