Posted on 03/17/2014 11:46:43 AM PDT by goldstategop
My advice: Study some history and geography; it might be of help sometimes.
The propaganda of the mass media won’t.
What’s our dog in the fight in what is another country’s business?
What’s our national interest in Crimea?
That is an easy question. It is not in the national interest of the United States to have a murdering KGB thug rampaging about Europe attempting to reconstruct the USSR. Today Crimea. Tomorrow Kiev and Odessa. After that a former USSR NATO country. That will directly involve the US military. No isolationist day dream will change those facts.
Firmly respond to Putin now or prepare for a shooting war in a NATO country. Those are the only two choices on the table.
My advice: Study some history and geography; it might be of help sometimes.
So should you. Over 100 million murdered by Commies in the last century. A lot of people are about to die in Ukraine. Yet you cheer for the card carrying KGB thug about to kill them. You keep good company, FRiend.
Land for peace. Two nations, two states. Next, a free and independent Kurdistan.
So that’s where Maobama stole it from!
It’s still called Leningrad Oblast? If so, are suburbanites more communist than the inner city dwellers?
“Who is your dog in this fight? Why the barely vieled enjoyment?
And why do you have your panties in a wad lodi90?
Russia is just looking out for Russia. Our country used to be looking out for our country as well. Unfortunately our president is more of a thug (and a communist) than Putin is.
while Obama signs a decree making this month Sodomite appreciate month!
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quote “The point is that we have an aggressive dictator that needs to be stopped.”
Are we talking about Obama or Putin?
Are we talking about Obama or Putin?
Worth repeating.
This is not just about Russia belligerence and US weakness. It is about the moral bankruptcy of the entire west. Europe could put an end to this very quickly by imposing an immediate, complete ban on Russia exports. But that would require Europe to experience short term pain as it would have to line up alternate energy sources when the Russian oil and gas pipelines run dry. Putin’s Russia is a massive organized crime scheme. It will collapse without western money for its oil and gas. But we all know, as does Putin, that the west - not just the US - does not have the stomach for a fight. And the country that is most anxiously waiting for this all to play out is China. On what premise does the US intervene to save Taiwan if the Chinese government, following Russia’s example, decides to invade Taiwan to “protect” the Chinese speaking peoples from what China views as an illegitimate government?
US Rep. Ron Paul:
“Residents of Crimea voted over the weekend on whether they would remain an autonomous region of Ukraine or join the Russian Federation. In so doing, they joined a number of countries and regions — including recently Scotland, Catalonia and Venice — that are seeking to secede from what they view as unresponsive or oppressive governments.
These latter three are proceeding without much notice, while the overwhelming Crimea vote to secede from Ukraine has incensed U.S. and European Union officials, and has led NATO closer to conflict with Russia than since the height of the Cold War.
What’s the big deal? Opponents of the Crimea vote like to point to the illegality of the referendum. But self-determination is a centerpiece of international law. Article I of the United Nations Charter points out clearly that the purpose of the U.N. is to “develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples.”
Why does the U.S. care which flag will be hoisted on a small piece of land thousands of miles away?
Critics point to the Russian “occupation” of Crimea as evidence that no fair vote could have taken place. Where were these people when an election held in an Iraq occupied by U.S. troops was called a “triumph of democracy”?
Perhaps the U.S. officials who supported the unconstitutional overthrow of Ukraine’s government should refocus their energies on learning our own Constitution, which does not allow the U.S. government to overthrow governments overseas or send a billion dollars to bail out Ukraine and its international creditors.
Though the Obama administration has applied some minimal sanctions on selected Russian and Crimean individuals, neither the U.S. nor the EU can afford significant sanctions against Russia. Global trade provides too much economic benefit to both sides.
Indeed, international markets rallied on news that the sanctions would be thus far minimal. They understand that trade and economic engagement are the surest roads to peace and prosperity. Let’s hope governments will follow their lead.”
See my previous post
The United States has no military obligations toward Taiwan, it doesn't even have formal diplomatic relations with the country. I could see the United States intervening to 'save' Japan but not Taiwan.
You are correct about the “legal” relationship between the US and Taiwan, but unofficially the Americans have always made it clear to China that it would not tolerate a Chinese invasion of Taiwan. The US regularly sends its warships between mainland China and Taiwan as a symbolic gesture and the US has helped with Taiwanese military defences (although not to the extent that Taiwan wishes). My point is that the Chinese always had significant uncertainty as to what the US would do if it invaded Taiwan. The situation in Crimea is making it crystal clear to Beijing that the US will do nothing to assist Taiwan if China makes its play. Russian and Chinese expansionism is not good for anyone.
Why should we? The Crimea is and was Russian territory. It was formal Ukrainian because of a commie-deal between Nikita Khrushchev and the local soviet in 1954. All this lament about broken international law is complete BS.
Beside of this the Russians are important partners of the EU. If you compare the shipments between Germany and the US with those between Germany and Russia, the Germans already exports to Russia 2/3 of the amount of shipments they send to the US. After all America is loosing its importance for European countries fast because of its economical decline (this is something you guys should fix instantly). Nobody sane on our side of the big pond would endanger the economic excange between Russia and the EU.
The problem is not the Crimea, the problem are traumatized countries like Poland, Lativa, Estonia and Lithuania. They have good reason to worry about a new-born Soviet Union since they suffered under soviet slavery for a long time.
The solution are huge European investments in a efficient millitary, reasonable consultations between Europe and the US and more cultural and intellectual exchange with the Russians. Russia will not change because of sanctions or millitary pressure but because of a change in values. There is a old Arab bonmot: If you can not cut off a hand you have to shake it...
Regards from Europe
Andreas
But see, there is no one of real significance to come up with a better intro than, “We hold these truths to be self-evident...”
Never the less with any real virtue or basis in morals on any side of this...
You could hope that this area and the Ukraine could be left alone, but in reality the failure of this country (USA) to be a beacon of restraint to those like Putin and the Russian Federation, is obviously lacking...
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