Candidly speaking: Putin, Ukraine and the Jews

The Jerusalem Post ^ | 3-16-2014 | ISI LEIBLER

[ScaniaBoy]

No, this is not good at all. Basically the EU and the US have run a policy that unintentionally made them allies with the type of people they would never accept in their own countries. But our politicians have painted themselves into a corner and are unable to back down. I don't think Svoboda will lose votes in the upcoming election, rather the converse. The present situation is helpful to extremists on both sides.

On the Crimean election I found an article I think is both balanced and contains some interesting facts:

http://www.thenation.com/article/178848/endgame-crimea

Nobody talks about the fact that initially “when, on February 27, the Crimean parliament first decided to hold a referendum on expanding regional autonomy, it was exclusively within the context of remaining in Ukraine. It was Kiev’s ham-fisted attempt to replace key regional officials after agreeing not to do so that led to the inclusion of a second option to join Russia. Leaving Ukraine was placed on the table because the threat of force against Crimea was not taken off the table.”

Also, the author's reference to the polls are supported by the latest poll in Crimea made by the German institute Gfk which showed 70% of the polled was going to vote for returning Crimea to Russia.

It would be highly improbable if there hadn't been some vote stuffing and the legality of the referendum can be questioned given the Russian military presence but there is very little reason to doubt that the majority of the Crimeans wish to secede from Ukraine.

[MarMema]

Well there is considerable info to indicate, albeit BBC and this Jerusalem Post post, that Mimi is correct.

How nice of you to be so kind to her.

[MarMema]

Thanks, another good read...they’re kinda starting to sound like thugs.

[ScaniaBoy]

It will be hard to find any “good guys” in this plot.

[Grzegorz 246]

“How nice of you to be so kind to her. “

Isn't it all due to my fascism and anti-semitism ?

[MarMema]

Sometimes Russophobia overcomes people. I have many friends in Georgia who are standing by the new regime in Ukraine.

Time will tell.

[Grzegorz 246]

“Russophobia”

Mmm another magic word...

[McGruff]

The existing Ukrainian Jewish community, estimated to be around 200,000, has good reason to be fearful. Since gaining independence in 1991, Ukraine has spawned thriving xenophobic rightwing parties which are alleged to have spearheaded the revolt against the corrupt President Viktor Yanukovich. Although only gaining 10 percent electoral support, these are genuine neo-Nazis who employ swastika symbols and are openly anti-Semitic. Successive Ukrainian governments have ignored or condoned their extremist activities and made no effort to prosecute them.

Hey, at least we're not on Al Qaeda's side this time.

[MarMema]

Well lookie here, the new Ukraine government...

The "Volyn Remembers" campaign run by the SNPU Volyn branch was a landmark event in 2003. The campaign was aimed at re-establishing the historical truth in the Ukraine-Poland conflict, restoring the dignity of Ukrainians and exposing the distortions by Polish chauvinists in their presentation of the 1-43 events in Volyn.

[SJackson]

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[AdmSmith]

From the Russian propaganda:
SIMFEROPOL, March 16, 14:07 /ITAR-TASS/. The international observers monitoring Crimea’s referendum have identified no violations so far, Tadeusz Piskorski, the chief of the European observers’ mission in Crimea, has told ITAR-TASS. Piskorski, a member of the Polish parliament also noted a large turnout, adding that Crimean Tatars were very active

http://en.itar-tass.com/world/723752?utm_medium=rss20

Who is this Tadeusz Piskorski? I could not find him here

http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pos%C5%82owie_na_Sejm_Rzeczypospolitej_Polskiej_VII_kadencji

[Grzegorz 246]

Do you seriously believe I don’t know about it ?

[LowTaxesEqualsProsperity]

If we want to know what Ukrainian “patriots” are like, they have shown us:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-mnRuckQkU

Some of the individuals in this video now hold posts in the Kiev regime.

Neo-Cons using Neo-Nazis to hurt Russia (and Europe and us and the entire world in the process).

[MarMema]

Take Oleh Tyahnybok, the rather rugged leader of Svboda, which dominates the Western-most provinces of Ukraine. Western media has described him as one of the three most important opposition leaders and he's met foreign dignitaries like John McCain. He is also a potentially dangerous man. In one infamous speech in 2004, Tyahinybok lashed out at the "Moscow-Jewish mafia" and the "kikes". In 2005, he wrote an open letter to the President asking him to halt the "criminal activities" of "organised Jewry".

Do you seriously think these people are worth supporting?

[Grzegorz 246]

They got his first name wrong. A clown who was briefly (2005-2007) in Sejm as a member of Lepper’s party. Now on FSB’s payroll.

[MarMema]

I will watch that when I get home from work shortly. Thank you.

In the meantime, Its policies include taking farm land into national ownership and giving to people to hold on a "hereditry basis". No one who was not born in Ukraine can become a citizen; outsiders cannot adopt Ukrainian children. In 2005, one of the party's deputies founding the Joseph Goebbels Political Research Center. It was later renamed after a German conservative revolutionary. That particular deputy described the Holocaust as "a bright episode in European civilisation" which "strongly warms the hearts of the Palestinian population."

"Some of Svboda supporters are people who believe that the German invasion of Ukraine in the 1940s was not an occupation but a liberation from "Jewish Bolshevism". Needless to say, they also don't like gay people."

Just wow. And same to all the people here who have been critical of my wanting to stay out of it. Some want to take on Putin over this. These people met with McCain and sent him back to say they need our help to fend off Moscow!

[MarMema]

I seriously believed you would know about it. Please share.

[MarMema]

Actually they would probably get along quite well with the Croats. Maybe they should seek help from them.

[MarMema]

It gets better yet. Putin is gonna take him down...

Russia has initiated a criminal case against the leader of Ukraine's opposition Svoboda party Oleh Tyagnibok for forming an armed group with intent to commit assault, according to Interfax news agency. Investigative Committee spokesman Vladimir Markin told Interfax that Tyagnibok supported Chechen separatists in the 1990s and is now being prosecuted for organising an armed gang.

[AdmSmith]

Perhaps you could post a list of the people that are observers at Crimea.

I have so far only found one and his name was not correct.