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GM Recall Death Toll to Rise?; What Did Mary Barra Know and When Did She Know it?
NLPC ^ | March 13, 2014 | Marl Modica

Posted on 03/13/2014 10:35:45 AM PDT by jazusamo

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This is not going away, it's snowballing on GM.
1 posted on 03/13/2014 10:35:45 AM PDT by jazusamo
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It’s as bad as the sticking accelerators on Toyotas. No automobile is perfect. And every flaw could lead to a misshap. If we were talking about hundreds of deaths I’d feel a lot differently about this.

And yes, if it was one of my loved ones, I’d feel really bad, but I would if my loved one was the very first one to die before anyone even knew there was a problem.

This is not a high risk defect. The low number of deaths proves it.


2 posted on 03/13/2014 10:40:09 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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“This is not going away, it’s snowballing on GM.”

Good.


3 posted on 03/13/2014 10:40:25 AM PDT by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: cuban leaf

The biggest problem is they knew about it right off and did squat about it when they could have prevented deaths and much damage.

I view that as criminal.


4 posted on 03/13/2014 10:43:56 AM PDT by jazusamo ([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
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To: cuban leaf

Five nines is a big deal in business. The gold standard for reliability and safety is 99.999%. It is rarely achieved, however.

And when you divide the number of deaths by the number of cars sold you end up with better than 99.999% safe. When dealing with an item that is sold in huge quantities, it is critical to focus not on the number of customers adversly affected, but rather the percentage.


5 posted on 03/13/2014 10:44:22 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: jazusamo

Well, that’s probably a good thing.

The US auto consumer as well as US industry would be well served if GM were put out of business.


6 posted on 03/13/2014 10:44:25 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: jazusamo

The biggest problem is they knew about it right off and did squat about it when they could have prevented deaths and much damage.

I view that as criminal.


I view it as acceptable and reasonable risk. See my post above this one.


7 posted on 03/13/2014 10:45:00 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: jazusamo

So, if the government owned a fairly big piece of GM during all of this, and you can discover enough evidence that they knew about it and weighed in AGAINST the recall, then will the government allow a suit against them as the shareholder with controlling interest. Is there enough to pierce the corporate veil?


8 posted on 03/13/2014 10:50:04 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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It’s as bad as the sticking accelerators on Toyotas.

If you mean the behavior of the Government Motors, then yes, it is just as bad. The non existent sticking accelerator myth was used to attack a competitor of Government Motors, with the help of the MSM. Later investigations revealed that the accidents were all do to driver error, mistaking the gas pedal for the brake.

9 posted on 03/13/2014 10:52:45 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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I’m not really sure what they were supposed to “know about”. I mean, I’ll bet they know that if you run over a board with a nail at highway speeds with a standard tire, that they are somehow criminla in not notifying the public of that even though .00001% of the purchasers of their cars were killed when it happened. Maybe they are accountable because they didn’t use the new airless tires. I dunno.

I really hate GM, but I consider this a tempest in a teapot.


10 posted on 03/13/2014 10:53:01 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: jazusamo

“The biggest problem is they knew about it right off and did squat about it when they could have prevented deaths and much damage.

I view that as criminal.”

I agree with you.


11 posted on 03/13/2014 10:53:03 AM PDT by kitkat (STORM THE HEAVENS WITH PRAYERS FOR OUR COUNTRY.)
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New York Times article link at first of this article.

Auto Regulators Dismissed Defect Tied to 13 Deaths

12 posted on 03/13/2014 10:53:18 AM PDT by jazusamo ([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
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The non existent sticking accelerator myth was used to attack a competitor of Government Motors, with the help of the MSM. Later investigations revealed that the accidents were all do to driver error, mistaking the gas pedal for the brake.


But they did stick. You just had to push the carpet up against it. And I’ve had that happen to me before in a Chrysler. And yes, the accelerator stuck, for a second. But I didn’t die because I know how to function as a driver of a car.

And I turned the key off in my old Vega at 70 mile per hour once to see what it felt like (I was 18 at the time). Yep. Teh steering locked up. So I turned it back on.

No car is perfect. Not all risk can be eliminated. And some risk is even so low as to be acceptable. And even then, the timeline shows that GM was doing “something”. It more than satisfies my personal grasp of the concept of risk assessment, management and mitigation. Statistically, this is a non-issue. And I really, REALLY hate Government Motors, but this is the wrong battle. The fact that GM did anything at all really surprises me.


13 posted on 03/13/2014 10:57:41 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: cuban leaf

Apparently, this ignition issue has directly caused 12 deaths, and the fix was cheap and fast to replace.


14 posted on 03/13/2014 10:57:50 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: RinaseaofDs

With this administration I’d guess the chances would be slim to none, mostly none but I’m no legal beagle.


15 posted on 03/13/2014 10:59:14 AM PDT by jazusamo ([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
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To: RinaseaofDs

Apparently, this ignition issue has directly caused 12 deaths, and the fix was cheap and fast to replace.


How cheap? And how many deaths had already happened when they found the fix? And why an offer of $500 instead of a fix?

Five nines. That’s all I’m sayin’...

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=five+nines+safety&oq=five+nines+safety


16 posted on 03/13/2014 11:01:30 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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As much as I like the new Tahoe/Yukon and was seriously thinking about buying, this is the type of thing that makes me say no thanks. Yes, I know it’s taboo to even suggest buying a GM product around, but it’s a practical vehicle for my family and as much as I like Ford and Toyota, they are nowhere close to updating their versions (Expedition and Sequoia. And they are made in Texas.


17 posted on 03/13/2014 11:03:25 AM PDT by The South Texan (The Drive By Media is America's worst enemy and American people don't know it.)
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We are having problems right now with our 2013 Denali Terrain. GM knows it is a defect but is refusing to acknowledge and is calling it “normal”. The car has the anti collision audio and visual alert system. It does NOT have the collision breaking system. We will be driving in absolutely perfect conditions and out of nowhere the alerts go off and the brakes seem to make a grabbing sensation. Immediately, you have an “uh-oh” moment and instinctually brake the car, thinking you are about to become an insurance claim. We have been on the terrain forum website and others experience the same problem, which is quite unsettling. We have been told it is pre-charging the brakes in case you have to use them and if we don’t want it to happen we should turn the collision system off.


18 posted on 03/13/2014 11:04:39 AM PDT by Toespi
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The vehicles in question had defective ignition switches which turned off power to the cars under certain conditions


I’ve seen that in many articles about this problem. I’m really surprised nobody has told us what those “certain” conditions are. It should be very easy to tell us.

I’ll bet I could get a cobolt pretty cheap right now. I might look into it. Five nines is good enough for me.


19 posted on 03/13/2014 11:04:58 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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You forgot with assistance of the Trial Lawyers.


20 posted on 03/13/2014 11:05:39 AM PDT by The South Texan (The Drive By Media is America's worst enemy and American people don't know it.)
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