Posted on 03/13/2014 10:35:45 AM PDT by jazusamo
It’s as bad as the sticking accelerators on Toyotas. No automobile is perfect. And every flaw could lead to a misshap. If we were talking about hundreds of deaths I’d feel a lot differently about this.
And yes, if it was one of my loved ones, I’d feel really bad, but I would if my loved one was the very first one to die before anyone even knew there was a problem.
This is not a high risk defect. The low number of deaths proves it.
“This is not going away, it’s snowballing on GM.”
Good.
The biggest problem is they knew about it right off and did squat about it when they could have prevented deaths and much damage.
I view that as criminal.
Five nines is a big deal in business. The gold standard for reliability and safety is 99.999%. It is rarely achieved, however.
And when you divide the number of deaths by the number of cars sold you end up with better than 99.999% safe. When dealing with an item that is sold in huge quantities, it is critical to focus not on the number of customers adversly affected, but rather the percentage.
Well, that’s probably a good thing.
The US auto consumer as well as US industry would be well served if GM were put out of business.
The biggest problem is they knew about it right off and did squat about it when they could have prevented deaths and much damage.
I view that as criminal.
So, if the government owned a fairly big piece of GM during all of this, and you can discover enough evidence that they knew about it and weighed in AGAINST the recall, then will the government allow a suit against them as the shareholder with controlling interest. Is there enough to pierce the corporate veil?
If you mean the behavior of the Government Motors, then yes, it is just as bad. The non existent sticking accelerator myth was used to attack a competitor of Government Motors, with the help of the MSM. Later investigations revealed that the accidents were all do to driver error, mistaking the gas pedal for the brake.
I’m not really sure what they were supposed to “know about”. I mean, I’ll bet they know that if you run over a board with a nail at highway speeds with a standard tire, that they are somehow criminla in not notifying the public of that even though .00001% of the purchasers of their cars were killed when it happened. Maybe they are accountable because they didn’t use the new airless tires. I dunno.
I really hate GM, but I consider this a tempest in a teapot.
“The biggest problem is they knew about it right off and did squat about it when they could have prevented deaths and much damage.
I view that as criminal.”
I agree with you.
The non existent sticking accelerator myth was used to attack a competitor of Government Motors, with the help of the MSM. Later investigations revealed that the accidents were all do to driver error, mistaking the gas pedal for the brake.
And I turned the key off in my old Vega at 70 mile per hour once to see what it felt like (I was 18 at the time). Yep. Teh steering locked up. So I turned it back on.
No car is perfect. Not all risk can be eliminated. And some risk is even so low as to be acceptable. And even then, the timeline shows that GM was doing “something”. It more than satisfies my personal grasp of the concept of risk assessment, management and mitigation. Statistically, this is a non-issue. And I really, REALLY hate Government Motors, but this is the wrong battle. The fact that GM did anything at all really surprises me.
Apparently, this ignition issue has directly caused 12 deaths, and the fix was cheap and fast to replace.
With this administration I’d guess the chances would be slim to none, mostly none but I’m no legal beagle.
Apparently, this ignition issue has directly caused 12 deaths, and the fix was cheap and fast to replace.
Five nines. That’s all I’m sayin’...
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=five+nines+safety&oq=five+nines+safety
As much as I like the new Tahoe/Yukon and was seriously thinking about buying, this is the type of thing that makes me say no thanks. Yes, I know it’s taboo to even suggest buying a GM product around, but it’s a practical vehicle for my family and as much as I like Ford and Toyota, they are nowhere close to updating their versions (Expedition and Sequoia. And they are made in Texas.
We are having problems right now with our 2013 Denali Terrain. GM knows it is a defect but is refusing to acknowledge and is calling it “normal”. The car has the anti collision audio and visual alert system. It does NOT have the collision breaking system. We will be driving in absolutely perfect conditions and out of nowhere the alerts go off and the brakes seem to make a grabbing sensation. Immediately, you have an “uh-oh” moment and instinctually brake the car, thinking you are about to become an insurance claim. We have been on the terrain forum website and others experience the same problem, which is quite unsettling. We have been told it is pre-charging the brakes in case you have to use them and if we don’t want it to happen we should turn the collision system off.
The vehicles in question had defective ignition switches which turned off power to the cars under certain conditions
I’ll bet I could get a cobolt pretty cheap right now. I might look into it. Five nines is good enough for me.
You forgot with assistance of the Trial Lawyers.
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