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The Real German Warning for Cold War II (Pat Buchanan)
The American Conservative ^ | March 7, 2014 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 03/07/2014 7:28:25 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo

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To: ansel12

Fair enough, but some of us honestly revere the wisdom of our Founders. Maybe we’re wrong, but it makes us no less a patriot because we see slow ruination ahead. And I think if we discount the wisdom of our founders without at least considering it, we are robbing ourselves of a priceless part of our heritage.


121 posted on 03/07/2014 3:28:11 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: ansel12
What was Washington’s policy on declaring war on Japan to protect Hawaii?, or on invading Grenada, or Reagan having 100s of thousands of troops, a massive army, in Europe during peacetime?

We didn't declare war on Japan to protect Hawaii. We declared war because they attacked us.

The Grenada action was in perfect harmony with the venerable Monroe Doctrine.

I'm not sure we can describe the unusual circumstances of the Cold War as peacetime.

122 posted on 03/07/2014 3:41:40 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

If we had not elected asleep at the wheel internationalist meddlers since Reagan, I doubt 9-11 ever happens.


And still asleep at the wheel internationalist meddlers have hijacked the voting system in the US...
Goes right over yer head.. as it does all republicans..

The voting system is not fraudulent it is screen written..
Even only the RIGHT republicans can even get elected.. (in most places)..
IF they are elected at all...

Example: Romney..


123 posted on 03/07/2014 3:52:53 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Just as you keep manipulating Reagan, you ignore the point about using a centuries old quote to define 21st century geo political situations and 21st military realities (except when you want to play games with Reagan).

You are determined to keep glossing over Reagan, and you have George Washington quoting the Monroe Doctrine to invade Grenada.

Just as you chose the name Colonel to join up and start posting on military and war topics.

Carter was a much better follower of your politics than was the international warrior, Reagan.


124 posted on 03/07/2014 3:53:49 PM PST by ansel12 (Whow)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

No, it was not an advantage; quite the opposite. Both times, we barely won; it was anything but decisive. What makes it worse is what we could have prevented by being decisive. George Washington would have been apoplectic over our unpreparedness.


125 posted on 03/07/2014 4:16:44 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: ansel12

You may have good points, possibly better than mine, but it’s hard to see with all the personal innuendo and venom. I wish you’d attack my points more than me personally. Not only is it more pleasant for all, it makes for a much more convincing argument.


126 posted on 03/07/2014 4:16:46 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Olog-hai

I agree totally with the need for preparedness. I think if Washington and Madison were alive today they would be strongly in favor of a robust strategic defense.


127 posted on 03/07/2014 4:23:42 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

I tried to deal with you and you kept slip sliding away, after ignoring my first post to you, then you decided to hang your hat on the old Washington quote, you are all over the place, and are not serious about the subject anyway, that is why it took so many posts for you to quit mischaracterizing what I was pointing out about Reagan

You have pretty much ignored my posts and tried to get back to your sing song Carter politics.

You have an agenda, not well thought out, or well defined, you just know what you don’t like, and you are spamming FR with it trying to shut down discussion of the serious crisis in American weakness, and the world situation it is creating.


128 posted on 03/07/2014 4:44:23 PM PST by ansel12 (Whow)
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To: ansel12
Sure I have an agenda. My agenda is that twenty years of unneeded international adventures is what has caused the weakness you point out. We obviously disagree on this point, but please don't make my failure to originally understand your line of thought into willful mendacity.

I don't mind being called wrong about these issues that I tend to be overly fanatic about but I do mind being called a liar. It was only my obtuseness that mischaracterized anything you posted, I apologize for that.

129 posted on 03/07/2014 4:58:01 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: ansel12
the international warrior, Reagan.

Reagan was a fine president, the best by far of the last half century, but he was a politician, yes even a fine statesmen, but he was no international warrior. We should remember the sentiment of an actual warrior statesman, the Duke of Wellington, who hated war and abhorred the possibility of it the rest of his life after Waterloo. And I don't think it was an accident that Wellington was one of the statesmen at the Congress of Vienna which produced a treaty of realism that kept Europe out of a general war for a century.

130 posted on 03/07/2014 7:38:24 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

LOL, you really do live in your own little world, the man I served under was an international warrior, and he broke the back of the empire that Carter’s avoidance had strengthened.

You even keep giving me two posts as little worthless thoughts pop in your head, it’s post, and then later, pops out post number two.

Don’t you have some threads to spam out there.


131 posted on 03/07/2014 7:48:18 PM PST by ansel12 (Whow)
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To: ansel12
I don't think it's a good idea to confuse the man behind the desk with the soldier getting shot at. And that is no disrespecting a great president. And as a private citizen, Reagan deserves honor for doing his duty in WWII.

And if you wish to avoid worthless thoughts, I respectfully suggest avoiding public message board where we can all wax endlessly on our particular obsession.

But since any more posting would be tiresome, good day.

132 posted on 03/07/2014 8:00:42 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

What private citizen, you or Reagan?


133 posted on 03/07/2014 8:02:04 PM PST by ansel12 (Whow)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
I don't think it's a good idea to confuse the man behind the desk with the soldier getting shot at. And that is no disrespecting a great president. And as a private citizen, Reagan deserves honor for doing his duty in WWII.

You are really confused, you don't know that Reagan was in the Army, and I don't know what in the heck you are babbling about in regards to his days as an international warrior in a foreign policy sense as president, why are you Carter guys so eccentric and out of ouch with reality.

134 posted on 03/07/2014 8:11:24 PM PST by ansel12 (Whow)
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To: ansel12

Of course I know Reagan was an officer in the army, what in the world do you think I was referring to when I mentioned his honorable service in the war?


135 posted on 03/07/2014 8:20:04 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Why did you phrase it as you did “And that is no disrespecting a great president. And as a private citizen, Reagan deserves honor for doing his duty in WWII.”


136 posted on 03/07/2014 8:42:43 PM PST by ansel12
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To: ansel12
My grammar is pretty atrocious and I apologize for it. More than that I apologize to you and to all for the tiresome way I incessantly hammer my points and ride my hobbyhorse of nonintervention. A family member just took me to task for my unchristian tendencies here lately and I'm taking it to heart. I probably need a good break from posting. We obviously didn't convince each other but I hope we can part respectfully agreeing to disagree.
137 posted on 03/07/2014 8:56:32 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

For me it is punctuation and choppy sentences, I just hope that about 80% of what I post, can be made out.


138 posted on 03/07/2014 9:05:24 PM PST by ansel12
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To: ansel12
I find the older I get I even have a hard time spelling and leaving out words. But aging still beats the alternative!
139 posted on 03/07/2014 9:10:23 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Somehow, liberal interventionists like Clinton and neoconservatives like McCain and his pals have convinced millions of Americans that their very existence depends critically on who controls Crimea, the West Bank, Kosovo, south Ossetia, and dozens of other places most people have never heard of or cared about until they were told to care.


140 posted on 03/09/2014 12:37:37 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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