Posted on 02/21/2014 9:08:20 PM PST by Sideshow Bob
the shutdown was more than question.
Pelosi didn't pass Obamacare by making sweeping suicide stands in 2007. She focused on annihilating the GOP and told her lib base to shut up till Dems controlled it all. Libs dont play games, they go for results
Then they passed Obamacare 2009/2010.
This a perfect example of a fact you wont hear from talk radio.
The Dems also tolerated NRA members in House, who were libs on other stuff.(most got clobbered in 2010)
Dems started that rumor in 2011. But is this a meaningful change, if its even true? Doesn't he just vote as told?
Exactly, the GOPe leadership group is an interwoven Establishment cabal. Which means that if Cantor has begun any meaningful effort to position for the Speaker's job, then Boehner truly realizes his time is up. I fully anticipate Boehner - if he survives both the primary and general elections - to announce his retirement AFTER Thanksgiving as one big final FU to the conservative base.
Then they passed Obamacare 2009/2010.
This a perfect example of a fact you wont hear from talk radio.
100% FALSE - talk radio repeats that fact nearly every day, or at least every week. It usually pops up in a caller question about why can't the Republicans maintain party discipline on basic party platforms when Pelosi & Reid do so with the Dems? Sometimes the talk radio hosts (you seem to despise so greatly) ask it rhetorically. Sometimes, they pose it as a question to their audience.
Whatever the form, the answer is: the GOPe leadership and their sycophants believe in nothing that doesn't personally and immediately benefit them.
You may have missed the point.
Pelosi held off the lib base in 2007 with a GOP POTUS and protected her moderate members in swing districts until it counted, to get power in 2010 and pass an agenda.
She used to power to crush attempts at shutdowns and impeachments in 2007 and 2008. If Bohner was like she was he would be crushing conservatives to get power in 2017 to ram though conservative policies.
She told her lib base to stuff it until then so she could get results.
\ She was out for results, to win.
That is the exact opposite of what those who pushed the shutdown argue. They claim that Pelosi never used restraint.
No, I understand the point. Your premise is flawed and your conclusion is wrong.
The difference is that Dems need to move or appear to move to the center to gain election. Republicans need to move or appear to move to the right to gain election.
Democrat leadership reverts to the left after election, GOPe leadership reverts to the center after election. There is no logic, fact or even an iota of evidence that Boehner will move to the right and pursue an actual conservative agenda in either 2015 or even 2017.
You seem to forget that conservatives have seen this movie before. We know how it ends. No need to ever watch it again.
Move right from where?
What election?
That sounds just like simple buzz-phrases directly from talk radio. Those are jingles.
Shutting down the government or launching impeachments are no more popular for either party 2007 for Dems or now for GOP. Pelosi knew that.
She wanted results and got them and it didnt include those.
She had a real plan. Not like that contradiction after contradiction fiasco shutdown disaster from last fall that was designed to lose.
Not saying Bohner would play like Pelosi, they are not the same. He is too weak and cutting is way tougher than handouts are,
FYI, I do not listen to Levin or Limbaugh.
FYI, Boehner, McConnell and Cantor are piss poor leaders. How do I know, Sowell told me so.
Exactly! When was the last time Boehner/Cantor/King tried annihilating the Dems? I only see them trying to annihilate Cruz, Lee and the TEA Party. I NEVER see them attack Pelosi, Ried, Obama or Obamacare relentlessly.
As opposed to your simple buzz-phrases here at FR? No thanks, I'll take those on talk radio instead. You really seem to hate talk radio, did a host cut you off once during one of your ramblings?
Shutting down the government or launching impeachments are no more popular for either party 2007 for Dems or now for GOP. Pelosi knew that. She wanted results and got them and it didnt include those.
Re: Shutdowns & Impeachements - Popular, almost never. Necessary and vital to a healthy constitutional republic, sometimes yes.
She had a real plan. Not like that contradiction after contradiction fiasco shutdown disaster from last fall that was designed to lose.
And what was the downside of the shutdown? I see no lasting harmful impact of what you claim to have been a fiasco.
Not saying Bohner would play like Pelosi, they are not the same. He is too weak and cutting is way tougher than handouts are
Agreed.
ROTFLMAO. Nicely done.
A subtle nuance. Well done, then.
GOP-e response: There they go again stealing YOUR hard earned wages. Right now you are working through June of each year to pay for Obama’s, Pelosi’s and Reid's pet projects. ARE YOU TIRED OF THAT YET? We can help. We are going to get out of your way by lessening regulations, lowering your and your boss' taxes and letting you keep your money. We are going to let your boss keep his money so he can give YOU a raise. We are going to let American Know How take flight and grow this economy! Your kids will find good paying jobs so they can get off your insurance. Vote Republican and Happy Days Will Be Back!
There! Was that so difficult?
What conservative policies has Boehner ever supported? Oh, I know the $1 Trillion Farm Bill? Immigration Reform? The crappy Ryan Budget?
Be careful. You're starting to sound like a talk radio jingle/catch phrase. lol
Was:
That is what happened to Alan West? What say you in Boehner’s defense. My sister last a good Rep. Very sad.
Should be:
That is what happened to Alan West. What say you in Boehner’s defense? My sister lost a good Rep. Very sad.
Uhh...no contest, your Honor?
Unfortunately it is true about Boehner eating his own. Very sad for the country.
My whole point, Bohner is no mirror Pelosi.
He wont rule and fight the way Pelosi did.
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