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The Golden Gated Communities: Northern California Today is Detroit in the 1960's
National Review ^ | 02/17/2014 | Kevin Williamson

Posted on 02/17/2014 7:20:42 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: henkster

Well, I guess we can agree that it’s a thing and it happens.


41 posted on 02/17/2014 11:38:03 AM PST by crazycatlady
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To: crazycatlady

Our panhandlers don’t hang around for long. Asking for money in a town full of engineers is a good way to get advice on budgeting.


42 posted on 02/17/2014 11:40:17 AM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: henkster
More than anything else, the race riots of 1943 and 1967 killed Detroit. After 1967, the whites simply left in droves, and the city died.

The author is presenting a comparison that doesn't exist. Detroit and Silicone Valley are not comparable. When I grew up in SF back in the 1950s, blacks were about 15 percent of the city. The blacks fled, and today they're less than 6 percent. They are largely confined to two areas of the city on the east industrial side, many in projects. That explains why their income is so low, and why much of the drug felonies and murderers are black; black on black crime. Those areas are becoming gentrified with incoming asians and latinos, and the black population continues to shrink. Other remaining blacks are retired middle class seniors who are relatively well to do.

SF is at the tip of a peninsula. The rest of the peninsula is largely devoid of blacks, except for East Palo Alto and that city is doing fairly well gaining commercial activity from proximity to Silicone Valley. There is no black problem as there is in Detroit.

43 posted on 02/17/2014 11:42:33 AM PST by roadcat
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t get this.

The median income where I live(Boston suburb) is $110,000.00 per household. In San Jose it’s $81,000.00.

I always that these West Coast areas were much higher.

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44 posted on 02/17/2014 11:44:19 AM PST by Mears
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To: Conservative4Ever

Yes, I remember my cousin saying that women usually wore dresses in downtown Seattle in the 60s. Now during certain events you’re lucky if they’re wearing clothes at all. Those events are usually in the neighborhoods, but still.
I heard on the news about another of those cases of somebody who got into a physical altercation after complaining about the language somebody was using around her you g daughter. I forget what the event was, maybe the Seahawks parade. But stuff like that is an example of the coarsening.


45 posted on 02/17/2014 11:52:53 AM PST by crazycatlady
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To: McGavin999

I wonder how different things would be if we nurtured everyone to be independent, not just men. Thing is, that women are being encouraged to be wives and mothers at a young age, while men are being pressured to get to work as soon as possible and support their wives and kids, even at the expense of the growth needed to make mature decisions.

Now men are in full blown rebellion against marrying early and then losing half of all they’ve worked for by their mid-thirties and yet, women are still looking for someone to take care of them. It’s the ‘someone has to take care of me’ mentality that is turning our nation into a sewer. I for one have always been against early marriage and a hue issue I have with these liberals is their never ending determination to be taken care of at the expense of someone else’s hard work.

A lot of soccer moms and their spud voted Obama. I wonder how different those votes might have been if those newt brained liberal housewives had had to go out and make a living. These are the nitwits that sometimes vote for higher taxes on their husband’s paychecks.


46 posted on 02/17/2014 11:53:15 AM PST by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: SeekAndFind
When was the song “I Left My Heart in San Francisco” written and what was the city like back then?

Doesn't matter. Prettiest is largely a title that reflects the natural geography of the city - the hills set against the water, grandeur of the bridges and sparkling lights of buildings and homes at night. Up close, there was always dirt.

I grew up in SF and there was always a contrast between "nice" tourist areas and the rest. The waterfront was busy with railroad tracks and freight trains moving goods from ships to warehouses and factories in the Mission District and to the east side of the city; now largely gone. It was dirty and grimy; now cleaned up and beautiful for tourists. I used to play around those railroad tracks and factories, including slaughterhouses; all gone. Much of the industrial sector is gone, replaced by clean industry. Mission District had many manufacturing sites, for example I would walk by a broom factory two blocks from my home on the way to school and would look in on the activity through open large doors.

SF was dirty in the 1950s, tourist areas were clean and pretty. Now, tourist areas are clean and pretty, and there are some dirty areas. One change is that homeless didn't urinate and defecate in public areas as they do now, yuck. That is one change I've seen. But for the most part, the city is cleaner now than it was back then.

47 posted on 02/17/2014 11:59:53 AM PST by roadcat
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To: crazycatlady

Seattle was very similar to SF in many ways. Both are by large bodies of water, have a large Asian influence and came from rough and ready backgrounds. Seattle is beautiful too.


48 posted on 02/17/2014 12:05:36 PM PST by Conservative4Ever (waiting for my Magic 8 ball to give me an answer)
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To: Mears
The median income where I live(Boston suburb) is $110,000.00 per household. In San Jose it’s $81,000.00.

Apples and oranges comparison. That's your suburb. San Jose used to be a poor town of latinos working in surrounding fruit orchards. When the tech boom happened, it changed San Jose and it rapidly grew and expanded. Large areas are still full of poor latinos, and they pull down the income averages against high-paid tech workers.

49 posted on 02/17/2014 12:05:41 PM PST by roadcat
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To: CorporateStepsister
Now men are in full blown rebellion against marrying early and then losing half of all they’ve worked for by their mid-thirties...

Millennials have a reputation for being clueless but they aren't completely stupid. The guys in their 20's saw what happened to their fathers, grandfathers, uncles and older brothers. So when confronted with the choice of Xbox or a better than 50% chance of getting screwed over, it's not a hard math problem.

50 posted on 02/17/2014 12:10:46 PM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: roadcat

” Large areas are still full of poor latinos, and they pull down the income averages against high-paid tech workers. “

We’re talking “medians”,not”averages”.



51 posted on 02/17/2014 12:14:39 PM PST by Mears
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To: SeekAndFind

Stockton is not far from Silicon Valley.


52 posted on 02/17/2014 12:48:26 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: Mariner

Its called “The Magic City”. There’s still lots of great places around Birmingham...just not a lot of nice places to live within the city limits.


53 posted on 02/17/2014 1:27:34 PM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: kearnyirish2

Agreed, it is taxpayer flight to a degree. But you can’t discount the other factors - crime, terrible infrastructure, dilapidated private properties. And the kicker, the one that can really cause a family to pull up stakes - terrible schools.

The fact that you have to pay more taxes for all of this just adds insult to injury, for sure - but its a cumulative effect.


54 posted on 02/17/2014 1:33:32 PM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: lacrew

I guess it is which came first; here in NJ our infrastructure is crumbling as taxes go directly into public employees’ pockets (instead of any kind of improvements). I’ve seen textbooks used in public schools that are rags. Anyone living in NJ can be assured that (in a manner akin to the Quartering Act leading up to the Revolution) they will be forced to provide funding for a public employee, a welfare sow and bastard(s), and an illegal alien. Nothing is left for street repairs and such; it looks like Mogadishu here. Potholes that aren’t fixed when spring arrives, tree branches obstructing “Stop” signs (!), etc.


55 posted on 02/17/2014 1:46:03 PM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: SeekAndFind
I read the comments from the link in the second to last paragraph entitled, "accosting Silicon Valley engineers at their homes"...

Man, what a bunch of losers. One or two posters are trying to explain supply and demand, while the rest are downright communist or Marxist in their replies.

It is a open lesson in the delusion of Marxist socialism. You can tell that they'd be happy to have armed thugs enforce wealth confiscation and if anyone objects, then they'd also be happy to pull the trigger. Either that or they're just so stupid as to think that if the government passes a law demanding that others give up all their wealth to be distributed, that none of them will go along with such thievery without a fight. One of the too few who were trying to reason with them said as much, and the others said he was crazy to say that anyone would dare oppose a government law confiscating their wealth, or that they would work less hard, or simply drop out...

On thing I do know, though, is that if any of these Che T-shirt wearers ever make a little cash, they'll be spitting mad if someone wants to take it and give to others not so fortunate...

56 posted on 02/17/2014 2:06:53 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: kearnyirish2

I don’t know about NJ specifically, but many cities only fund their street maintenance with fuel taxes. And in a lot of states, the cities have to first surrender the fuel axes to the state, so the state can skim off the top and dole it back out as they see fit.

Often, not even registration fees and personal property taxes go towards road maintenance. And the mil levy on your house and land - it almost never goes towards street maintenance.

So many cities and counties do what mine did: propose an additional sales tax to maintain roads. I often wonder what other ‘essential’ services get funding in front of road maintenance.

I like this line:

“Anyone living in NJ can be assured that (in a manner akin to the Quartering Act leading up to the Revolution) they will be forced to provide funding for a public employee, a welfare sow and bastard(s), and an illegal alien.”

Too bad its too long to be a tagline. My stepson has recently entered the workforce. When we see a welfare sow and bastards, I tell him: “You’ve got to work hard....for them!”.


57 posted on 02/17/2014 3:37:49 PM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: TheGipperWasRight
White flight = Urban blight

Yes, I know that's not politically correct. Here's another one...

White repopulation = Urgan gentrification

58 posted on 02/17/2014 3:43:07 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: lacrew

I believe our municipalities fix their own streets; main roads (state & county) are paid for by them.

Thanks; My oldest son now fits into my “Keep working; millions on welfare are depending on you!” T-shirt I wore in my younger days...


59 posted on 02/17/2014 4:17:04 PM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Orangedog

Yeah I know and I don’t blame them one bit; a lot of these guys have learned a hard lesson and I am in full agreement.


60 posted on 02/17/2014 7:10:24 PM PST by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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