In most European countries, people have two marriage ceremonies. One at the government office, then they walk to the Church for the real marriage ceremony.
Personally, I think our government should be out of the marriage business altogether.
Posted on 01/27/2014 3:28:50 PM PST by Kaslin
While I agree with you that marriage is an implied (or actual) contract, I don’t see any reason we can’t still have that. Maybe have domestic partnership agreements drawn up in lieu of a marriage license? As far as children go, they already belong to whomever is listed on the birth certificate, regardless of parents’ marital status.
The feds have to be involved in defining what legal marriage is, as I described in the post and you ignored.
“”Since the feds have so much dealing with marriage, in the military, federal employment and immigration etc., do you want them accepting homosexual marriage?””
The feds cannot avoid having to make legal decisions regarding marriage for the areas described.
The Founding fathers themselves were making federal laws regarding marriage, before writing the constitution, and immediately after ratifying it.
It will never go anywhere, in my opinion. The statists and homosexualists will never voluntarily give it up. To the statists it’s a way to create more broken people reliant on the state, thus serial civil divorce and remarriage and impossibilities like ‘gay marriage.’ The homosexualists need a way to punish and keep punishing those who they know will never accept ‘gay marriage.’
Freegards
That must be why we never have custody battles? By the way, you don't need a marriage license to get legally married in the United States.
It's already done this way in some European countries (princess Grace of Monaco comes to mind). I don't care a rat's ass about the state and I've said from the beginning of this whole gay "marriage" debacle that the only way out was to remove the state from the marriage business.
The Catholic Church is in no danger of, nor has any interest in, controlling your life. At this point you may exit your panic room.
I don't care if I'm married in the eyes of the state or not. If such a system comes into place, I'll get married in Church and let the bureaucrats count me as a cohabitant or whatever they wish.
No that isn’t going to happen, clergy are not an official position for any government office, they do the marriages that they want to do.
People don’t just go into churches and demand to get married, like they can with a government official, who isn’t his own boss.
“I don’t care if I’m married in the eyes of the state or not.”
... until I want someone forced to recognize my marital or parental rights. As a hospital, school, probate court...
What in the world are you talking about, would you read the posts before you start spewing hostile personal attacks and displaying a grudge of some sort?
The registering of marriages in the United States is a quasi-religious, quasi-legal social function that has been influenced by religious belief, custom, and English law since the earliest colonial settlements.
Marriage records in the United States have been, and in some cases still are, kept by churches, ministers, justices of the peace, state boards of health, colonial governors, military personnel, and local (county and town) governments.
Churches were among the earliest keepers of marriage records. By 1640, Virginia and Massachusetts had passed laws requiring ministers to provide records of the marriages they performed to civil officials in the county or parish. Records of marriages in areas that did not require periodic reporting remained with the minister or the church.
Many churches, especially in the frontier areas, did not keep extensive records, and many records have been lost or destroyed. New England churches, Quaker Monthly Meetings, and the German churches kept and have preserved the most complete records.
http://www.ancestry.com/wiki/index.php?title=Marriage_Records
link to info on my previous reply. Read the whole thing. Marriages were only registered (in some States)with the gov’t after the fact, mostly for inheritance and property settlement purposes.
Just like they can't go into a bakery and demand they be sold a cake. Oh wait, never mind...
As I said before, if you think Catholic priests will not be forced into performing gay marriages lest they be stripped of their right to perform marriages recognized by the state, you're kidding yourself.
In most European countries, people have two marriage ceremonies. One at the government office, then they walk to the Church for the real marriage ceremony.
Personally, I think our government should be out of the marriage business altogether.
Me too.
There is no comparison between business refusing services or being at demand of whoever walks through their doors, and a preacher.
Preachers don’t sell marriage, they are not marriage clerks at the marriage counter, they pick and choose if they want to perform a marriage or not.
There has always been marriage law, no matter what the ruling authority was called, government, a state religion, tribal law, the fact is that there was law regarding marriage, divorce, children, inheritance.
We need to quit wasting time on this childish stuff, and come up with some conservative politics.
I think what’s going to eventually is that those faiths that will never accept whatever impossibility the state is deciding to call marriage at the time will quit acting as the state’s representative in civil marriage. They’ll just have to take whatever punishment the state decides to give them for not accepting ‘gay marriage,’ which is certainly no stranger than telling someone 30 years ago that by 2014 ‘gay marriage’ would be accepted by 18+ states.
But I don’t think the state will ever give it up at this point.
Freegards
My point is that in the eyes of the state, your sacramental marriage will be irrelevant. To Christians, what’s actually irrelevant (or should be) is state approval or state sanctioning. So, the hell with the state. I don’t need them to recognize my SACRAMENTAL marriage. My wife and I will sign whatever papers we need that will make ourselves each others heir, give one another durable power of attorney, next of kin status, etc.
Good Lord man, do what you want, you don’t have to have a legal marriage, you didn’t in 1780, or 1880, or 1980, or today.
If you don’t care if your marriage is legal, then don’t go through the process to make it so.
Nobody forces people to do that.
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