Posted on 01/15/2014 4:20:15 AM PST by markomalley
For every quote I find I, too, can find an opposing quote. Particularly from the USCCB.
But the fact of the matter is that the papal magisterium (the official teaching of the Church) does not, in any way, support socialism. Period. I would run through a whole list of quotes from every pope from Leo XII through Benedict XVI (the current pope has not yet made any Magisterial statements as of yet)
One of my favorites, by the way, is from John XXIII:
Pope Pius XI further emphasized the fundamental opposition between Communism and Christianity, and made it clear that no Catholic could subscribe even to moderate Socialism. The reason is that Socialism is founded on a doctrine of human society which is bounded by time and takes no account of any objective other than that of material well-being. Since, therefore, it proposes a form of social organization which aims solely at production, it places too severe a restraint on human liberty, at the same time flouting the true notion of social authority.
Encyclical Mater et Magistra (34), 1961
One other thing, on the topic of He isn’t anti-Catholic at all. His ministrations are designed to encourage Catholics to defect from the Faith. In my book, that is "anti-Catholic." Anti = opposed to.
It isn't true, and that's the point. An actual study of the Papal Magisterium (whether you choose to subscribe to it or not) would easily show that.
Granted, we need to put it in context. Partisans in Protestant and Catholic camps are both guilty of cherry picking.
Of course. I know of so many people who would be lazy and attribute the beliefs of Presbyterians to those people who are Lutherans, Baptists, Methodists, or (one of the many subsets of) Charismatics. In fact, I know many who would attribute the actions of the PCUSA to all Presbyterians. That isn't any more fair than attributing the actions of Westboro Baptist to all Baptists. And worse would be to use what Karl Keating (a fairly well-known Catholic apologist and former Baptist) says about Baptists rather than to find out what Baptists actually believe from Baptist sources.
If a rich guy makes a billion dollars a year in capital gains and only pays 20% of it in taxes,
A) at $1000 per family per year how many poor middle class hungry families can get food stamps if we raised his tax rate to just 40%?
B) How much money will the rich guy still get at the new tax rate?
"This illustrious pope is not going to take on the bible is he?"
Careful reading of the two paragraphs cited will reveal that Pope Leo XIII agrees with the Bible--- and with you.
Well, when half your proofs start with a simple acceptance of the assumption of inequality (”Let epsilon be greater than zero”) then we have a subject that is ripe for the social justice b******s to come in and pervert.
Everyone’s answers are correct. Everyone gets the highest grade made, in the class, on their tests.
I assume the outcomes to all problems are the same?
“half your proofs...”
Reminds me about two line segments of unequal lengths. Which segment contains the greater number of points, the shorter or the longer?
Answer: Since a line segment contains an infinite number of points, they both contain the same number of points.
Now that we have established that any two line segments contain an equal number of points, just how do we apply this?
Communist Core is nothing else besides forcing the leftist agenda down childrens throats
I think your head is in the wrong eternity if you are absolutely unable to get a clue.
Satan is tickled pink when he gets you to think of all downside. Recognizing upside of everything is the first step to redemption... not to excuses (we are given no choice tub to move on Godward), but to redemption... it’s so easy to say damn someone and kick um down the stairs until that someone turns out to be ourselves. Who helped elect this fool the captain, except the crew of the ship of fools?
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You too... situations whose upsides are ignored can not be redeemed (by those who are ignoring them, at least).
As a private move, Common Core was a mixed bag. Had it stayed private, its follies could have been straightened out by a process of sorting by merit. And it had plenty of follies. But it got caught in Caesar’s gears, and Caesar just wants to be bowed down to, he has long forgotten God. It’s time to remind everybody of God.
I’m being a BIT tongue in cheek here.
In general, the bible assumes that what we call capitalist is, in fact, normal for the unsaved world.
We’ve gone off on a bit of a tangent or two.
One of those tangents is what can people do privately by agreement. Both inside and out of the world of explicit worship there are plenteous examples.
Another one is what about schools? If there are to be public schools at all, what ought they to be like?
If it is of any consolation to anybody, if I was king I would abolish the public school and make schools private, supported by a combination of private charity and tuition as applicable.
Oh... and Christ is, when push comes to shove, capitalist.
He “bought us with a price.”
No mediocre communism here and thank goodness.
Thank, man, think.
Everyone knows his life. He abused himself by ingratiating himself with cockamamie views of life, when he wasn’t being abused by being raised in weird “families” and being treated as a grand political pawn.
Parents, or at least someone credible, who care with the care of the Lord and whose care is accepted, are the answer to such abuse.
This is not the half inch deep liberal view of abuse. This cuts right down to Original Sin and factors in genuine Redemption which can only be worked by God.
So yes. Barack Obama is also abused goodness. And I just explained how.
Well I meant to say Think when I said Thank, but don’t forget to Thank the Lord as well for what good things He creates. Then we can concern ourselves with how to better the situation. And it ain’t by pulling up on our own bootstraps. You will howl in vain for another Ronald Reagan, say, if you hold God in very light repute.
>> Hence, it is clear that the main tenet of socialism, community of goods, must be utterly rejected, since it only injures those whom it would seem meant to benefit, is directly contrary to the natural rights of mankind, and would introduce confusion and disorder into the commonweal.
Which is precisely what happened to the settlers of this country.
The pilgrims who landed at Plymouth Rock where led by Governor William Bradford whose book, Of Plimouth Plantation, chronicles their experiences. Bradford relates how the Pilgrims set up a communist system in which they owned the land in common and would also share the harvests in common. By 1623, it became clear this system was not working out well. Bradford writes that “young men that are most able and fit for labor and service” complained about being forced to “spend their time and strength to work for other men’s wives and children.”
A meeting was held to decide what to do. “At last after much debate of things, the governor gave way that they should set corn everyman for his own particular... That had very good success for it made all hands very industrious, so much [more] corn was planted than otherwise would have been”. The Pilgrims changed their economic system from communism to individual enterprise.
Bradford wrote that their experience taught them that for society as a whole, communism, or sharing all the production, was vain and a failure:
“The experience that has had in this common course and condition, tried sundrie years, and that amongst Godly and sober men, may well evince the Vanities of the conceit of Plato’s and other ancients, applauded by some of later times; that the taking away of propertie, and bringing into commone wealth, would make them happy and flourishing, as if they were wiser than God. For this community (so far as it was) was found to breed much confusion and discontent and retard much employment that would have been to their benefit and comfort. And for men’s wives to be commanded to do service for other men, as dressing their meat, washing their clothes, etc., they deemed it a kind of slavery, neither could many husbands well brook it. Upon the point all being to have alike, and all to do alike, they thought themselves in the like condition, and one as good as another; and so, if it did not cut off those relations that God hath set amongst men, yet it did at least much diminish and take off the mutual respects that should be preserved amongst them. And would have been worse if they had been men of another condition. Let none object this is men’s corruption, and nothing to the course itself. I answer, seeing all men have this corruption in them, God in His wisdom saw another course fitter for them.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3096653/posts
>> ocialism has every good intention in the world, except that it’s trying to BE God.
See post 38
Just so everyone is on the same page...
‘Social Justice’ is nothing more than a euphemism for Socialism.
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