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Chamber of Commerce: Only Permanent Democratic Party Rule Can Solve Entitlements Crisis
Frontpage ^ | January 9, 2014 | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on 01/10/2014 7:04:24 AM PST by xzins

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To: amnestynone
Who pays the taxes? They do! That is why they fight taxes like hell.

If this is what you truly believe, you are economically illiterate. Consider this question: Where do the businesses get the money to pay their increased taxes?

The more we lower them on wealthy individuals then the more they spend.

You may wish to look up the facts on the difference between wealth taxes and income taxes. The income tax is a barrier to the accumulation of wealth.

Politicians don't spend public money because they have too much of their own. They spend public money because it buys them power (votes) while leaving their own pile of wealth unharmed.

I'm sorry, but I find your argument simplistic, naive, and wrong.

41 posted on 01/10/2014 9:29:09 AM PST by MortMan (Is a delayed shower a "stay of exablution"?)
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To: Berosus

Donohue is an opportunist. Nothing more and nothing less.

He was the head of the Truck-Trailer Association 25 to 30 years ago. That is an organization of Truck and Trailer manufacturers who lobby against stupid Government rules and regulations (I could tell you quite a story about anti-lock brakes). He was known as “Snow White and the 7-dwarfs” back then because of his snow white hair and numerous staff assistants. He got absolutely nothing done, but he could make a really great speech.

He left there to go to a larger organization and left them to go to the Chamber of Commerce. He has been failing upwards for as long as I have known about him.


42 posted on 01/10/2014 10:41:33 AM PST by jim_trent
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To: MortMan
“If this is what you truly believe, you are economically illiterate. Consider this question: Where do the businesses get the money to pay their increased taxes?”

Where do they get their money to pay their increased taxes. That is crazy. Their taxes have been reduced. They have lower rates then at any time since Truman. When government is 35% of the economy and the Dem's can hand out public money to clientize business just like they do the poor and public employee unions where do you think they get a lot of their money? From the government! Again when government becomes a greater source of income then taxes are a burden then they no longer care about limiting public spending. Politicians may spend public money but the establishment GOP has become a partner in them spending money. They do nothing to stop it because they no longer find the taxes burdensome compared to what they get from government. Talk about me being naive if you and the rest of us conservatives don't wake up to new paradigms and dynamics in what is happening we will be buried faster then you think.

43 posted on 01/10/2014 12:02:19 PM PST by amnestynone (Lindsey Graham is feckless, duplicitous, treacherous, double dealing backstabbing Corksucker.)
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To: amnestynone

Now you’re lapsing into amnesia.

You are advocating increasing their taxes. YOU are advocating that they pay more.

Corporations do not pay taxes - they pass the extra costs onto their consumers, or if the extra costs are high enough, they go out of business.

You also seem to conflate unions and businesses. That’s a boat load of serious confusion.

Sorry - but you are economically illiterate. And politically naive.


44 posted on 01/10/2014 12:25:00 PM PST by MortMan (Is a delayed shower a "stay of exablution"?)
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To: MortMan

Then why does business fight taxes so much? Of course they pay them. True their may be some that they can pass on but business fights taxes because basically they pay them.period. If they are going to spend more then why shouldn’t the people who run this country pay for it. That makes perfect sense to me. Then when they stop spending we can lower their taxes. That seems fair tome as well. We as conservatives (myself included) made a serious mistake in lowering corporate and upper class taxes with out seeing a reduction in spending. The more we have lowered their taxes the fewer wealthy Republicans their are and the more feckless the remaining ones have become. They think they can pass amnesty and not pay the price for the demographic changes they are committing we should show them they are wrong.


45 posted on 01/10/2014 12:46:06 PM PST by amnestynone (Lindsey Graham is feckless, duplicitous, treacherous, double dealing backstabbing Corksucker.)
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To: GOPJ

These morons do not understand taht the labor won’t be cheap once they’re legalized. Do they suppose that a legalized alien will continue to work for the same wages as an illegal?


46 posted on 01/10/2014 12:46:18 PM PST by jospehm20
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To: amnestynone

I’m not going to try and disabuse you of your untrue beliefs. As I said before, you are economically illiterate.

I will, however, point out to you that you are using the exact class warfare language the dems use about business and “upper class” taxes.

Have a good day.


47 posted on 01/10/2014 2:48:41 PM PST by MortMan (Is a delayed shower a "stay of exablution"?)
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To: MortMan
This is the reality conservatism is a middle class value. It may not of used to be but that is what it is now. I think you are being very naive if you think you can just let these upper class Republicans and Democrats stab you in the back which they are doing by pushing amnesty and spending all of the money and using their media to smear the rest of us. If fat cat GOPers want a tax break than:
1. secure the border.
2. Help us reduce spending.
3 give us a fair media.

As far as being economically illiterate you have to pay when you spend. Since the political class refuses to cut spending they will just have to pay for It. If that is class struggle so be it. We are dealing with a new realitry and that is that the rich are now the socialists and the rest of you are just going to have to get used to it.

48 posted on 01/10/2014 3:06:11 PM PST by amnestynone (Lindsey Graham is feckless, duplicitous, treacherous, double dealing backstabbing Corksucker.)
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To: jospehm20
These morons do not understand taht the labor won’t be cheap once they’re legalized. Do they suppose that a legalized alien will continue to work for the same wages as an illegal?

Studies have backed up what you're saying jospehm. As soon as they're legal they stop picking crops and gardening for rich liberal elites... and they start competing with American who have been here legally for decades.

The only jobs Congress 'protects' is their own... It's almost impossible to run against an incumbent because the little sh*ts wrote laws making it impossible. Congressmen - left and right - read those bills....

49 posted on 01/10/2014 7:55:14 PM PST by GOPJ ("Remember who the real enemy is... ")
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To: amnestynone

You really need to separate your economic thoughts from your political ones. I am a business owner. If my costs, including taxes, rise to the point where I cannot support my business, then I have to either raise my prices or go out of business. There is no other choice.

With regard to the political side, I’m amused at you lecturing me on what needs to happen. You need to get over yourself.

Securing the border is a national priority - for sovereignty reasons.

Reducing spending is a priority, but “we the people” cannot directly affect it. The RINO class of republican has shown an unwillingness to reduce spending - only (at best) to reduce the rate of increase in deficit spending.

With respect to the media, you are begging to have the government broach the first amendment. If the media is to be forced to be fair by the government, then the government gets to decide what “fair” is, and regulates the content that the media can present. That is not possible with a valid and vibrant first amendment.

If we want a fair media, then we the people need to push the media in a more neutral direction, but NOT through government.

I;m sorry if these truths do not fit into your fantasy of what government should be. But they are truths nonetheless. If you wish to, you can rant at me further in this thread, but I will likely not respond unless you actually start to answer the questions already posed to you (another liberal tactic), and if you start to ask sensable questions.

I suspect we agree on a number of issues, FRiend. But I also know that you seriously misunderstand economic reality.


50 posted on 01/10/2014 9:39:40 PM PST by MortMan (Is a delayed shower a "stay of exablution"?)
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To: MortMan
That is not possible with a valid and vibrant first amendment.

Which we do not have. There is a blacklist in effect against conservatives and ideas that leftists do not like. Government today helps enforce the rigid leftwing ideology in the media.

51 posted on 01/10/2014 9:45:13 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: GeronL

I don’t think that government is directly involved with the blacklisting - that is a product of the media culture (which is corrosively liberal).

Most conservatives do not gravitate toward media as a vocation. Many liberals - including flaming liberals - do.


52 posted on 01/10/2014 9:48:39 PM PST by MortMan (Is a delayed shower a "stay of exablution"?)
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To: xzins; KC_Lion

It will be all over but for the shouting.

It might be too late already.


53 posted on 01/10/2014 9:49:31 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: P-Marlowe

It ain’t 12 million either. It’s 12 million, plus their extended families etc etc


54 posted on 01/10/2014 10:07:50 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Jacquerie

bump


55 posted on 01/10/2014 10:08:51 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: MortMan

Leftists in the media will not hire conservatives, they seek out other leftists to give jobs to.

If the conservatives made any gains in media, the government will shut it down


56 posted on 01/10/2014 10:12:31 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: GeronL

Maybe.

It is yet to be proven.

Even Fox News is gravitating leftward, but it appears to be an evolutional process.

The whispered attempts at a “fairness doctrine” in the past are more directly related to government interference - and they haven’t become bold enough yet to actually enact the beast.


57 posted on 01/10/2014 10:20:41 PM PST by MortMan (Is a delayed shower a "stay of exablution"?)
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To: MortMan

Long march through the institutions.

It didn’t happen by accident.


58 posted on 01/10/2014 10:22:10 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: GeronL

I don’t disagree. I just think that assertions of probability should be separated from assertions of fact.


59 posted on 01/10/2014 10:37:23 PM PST by MortMan (Is a delayed shower a "stay of exablution"?)
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To: MortMan

There is not a shadow of doubt that leftists purposely hire other leftists and keep conservatives out of the media.

I think it was Investors Business Daily who tested this in their company, and yep the person did hire less qualified people because he agreed with their politics.


60 posted on 01/10/2014 10:46:05 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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