Posted on 01/01/2014 3:29:37 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
An interesting twist to Scotland is the odd relationship it has had with of all places, Poland. For various reasons, in historical times, Scots would travel to Poland to find work and Poles would travel to Scotland for the same reason. Currently, the flow is from Poland to Scotland.
Even Bonnie Prince Charlie’s mother was Polish. Maria Clementina Sobieska was a Polish noblewoman, the granddaughter of the Polish king John III Sobieski.
Being one of Europe’s wealthiest heiresses, she was betrothed to James Francis Edward Stuart, Prince of Wales, the son of the soon-to-be-deposed James II of England.
King George I of Great Britain was opposed to the marriage because he feared that the union might produce heirs to James Francis Edward’s claim to his thrones.
To placate him, the Holy Roman Emperor Charles VI arrested Maria Clementina while on her way to Italy to marry James Francis Edward. She was confined in Innsbruck Castle but eventually the guards were deceived and Maria Clementina escaped to Bologna, Italy, where, for safety from further intrusions, she was married by proxy to James who was in Spain at that time.
Geez, what a soap opera.
There was no English crown as Winnie has pointed out, after 1707, it was a British govt and a British royal family, which btw, sat and sits on the throne because of its SCOTTISH descent.
Most of the landowners were Scottish, from major families, and the reason (and nobody here is denying the Clearances weren’t appalling, what we are discussing is the bad history that surrounds it, thanks mainly due to nationalists) was pure profit. Sheep made more money than people.
Remember it happened long after 1746, the Highlands (of whom only barely half supported the 1745 uprising, more Scots fought AGAINST Bonnie Prince Charlie than for him, both sides of my family, one highland one lowland, and I am very proud they did so) has been at peace for years. lthough it started in 1762, it really didn’t start en masse until 1792 and into the 1800’s. By then, there was no prospect of another rising.
Also, even in Scotland, the equally important and harrowing LOWLAND Clearances have been forgotten. In fact it started first and influenced the later Highland one. Cynics might suggest that we Lowlanders don’t have the victim mentality of the Highlander....
Yep. Scots went all over Europe, from Ireland to Russia, Norway to Italy, for hundreds of years before and after the Union, as soldiers, traders and businessmen. Also as academics.
Tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands, over 500-600 years.
Yep. Most English commentators would be happy to see the Scot’s go, as the English foot a great deal of their welfare bills.
Thanks all.
Thanks for helping to explain all this to me...... I truly am interested in it, but it’s hard to know if what is read in a history book is really the whole honest truth. So much of history is written from one side’s perspective, so I very much value your input.
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Not exactly the first amendment... (97) No citizen shall be expelled, by means either of an individual or of a collective measure, from the Kingdom, nor deprived of the right to enter the Kingdom. The collective expulsion of aliens is prohibited.
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That’s a myth. And I say that as a NO voter and Conservative/Unionist. Scotland pays in more than it takes out. Our welfare bills are too high, and a disgraceful amount of Scots are dole scroungers. But then that is a British problem as well.
O.K., I can’t argue with someone who has studied it. It’s the meme I hear whenever Scottish independence is brought up.
The overall impression I get from talking to Scottish Nationalists is that they are not so much anti-English as anti-London.
Yeah, they want to leave the United Kingdom but have stronger ties to the European Union. In other words, they plan to be ruled from Brussels rather than from London. What a tremendous step forward.
...so they can be under Brussels instead.
Point of information. The United Kingdom came about because the King of Scotland became the King of England as well. Roll forward a century or so, and the act of Union that united the two parliaments politically was a Scottish idea. In other words, it was Scotland that took England over, not the other way round.
When was Scotland oppressed so tragically then? Certainly not since the Union, which effectively ended the border wars that had been raging off and on for four centuries plus.
And on a more pragmatic note, the vast bulk of the atrocities of the Clearances were committed by lowland Scots, (who hated the Highlanders) rather than the English.
The concept of "freedom" is lost on so many people now... including ever-increasing numbers of Americans.
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