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Chinese Naval Vessel Tries to Force U.S. Warship to Stop in International Waters
Washington Free Beacon ^ | 12/13/2013 | Bill Gertz

Posted on 12/13/2013 2:57:59 AM PST by markomalley

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To: Travis McGee

They’ve been exporting their excess males already. It needn’t come to war, but I am still interested in being more than ready. I don’t think a war v. the USA would be beneficial to the Chinese.

Think of the results: trade would end, we would repudiate our debt, China would lose. There are very few benefits to war for China.

Their elites have gained enormous fortunes via crony capitalism. This saber rattling is for home consumption and that little potential pile of money being held as subsurface petroleum/gas reserves.


181 posted on 12/13/2013 10:01:39 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: stormer

They know the score. Data out of China continues to get worse regarding their economy. The normal proxies like electricity consumption are getting jiggered with companies running the power like crazy while producing nothing. Most economic analysts in country actually have on the ground spies checking shipments and matching them to sales and production, etc.

Think of how inefficient an economy built on lies is.


182 posted on 12/13/2013 10:03:29 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: kabar
Free trade assumes a level playing field.

Utterly false. Free trade assumes only liberty. There is not now and never has been a "level playing field" between any person or nation.

You are at a great disadvantage versus Coca Cola beverage company or Macy's or Goodyear Tire. You are hopelessly underfunded and yet free trade goes on. How is that possible?

183 posted on 12/13/2013 10:03:39 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Travis McGee

This would be slightly different as it is male Chinese nationals intermarrying with local African females. Go figure.


184 posted on 12/13/2013 10:05:31 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Nothing good I'm afraid. I wish he had ordered the chi-coms to move or face fire, but then he'd probably he relieved for that too.

Hell, he'll probably he relieved for not apologizing and turning clean around in the opposite direction.

185 posted on 12/13/2013 10:06:25 AM PST by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Reagan’s record as a protectionist is fairly obvious and striking.


186 posted on 12/13/2013 10:13:38 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Reagan was forced into a lot of things that were counter to his deeply held beliefs, because as you may know, we do not have kings…..we have Presidents….and he had a Democrat congress for the most part.

And those efforts were against what he would rather have done….he signed a lot of things that were not REAGANISM….but if you want to try and say that Reagan was against free trade…..please do…..so I can further embarrass you.


187 posted on 12/13/2013 10:15:35 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: central_va

So striking that NAFTA was his idea, he was instrumental in the formation of the WTO, and he dreamed of a Free Trade Area of the Americas.


188 posted on 12/13/2013 10:16:34 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Marx quote incoming in 10...9...8...7....


189 posted on 12/13/2013 10:19:20 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: McGruff
Have you been to China. You can't even breath the air.

If this is what you think America should look like then you seriously need to reevaluate your priorities.

190 posted on 12/13/2013 10:27:37 AM PST by stormer
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To: Jeff Head
I do nt see anything highly irregular here...except that instead of one of our smaller, less well armed surveillance ships, we sent a cruiser to do the job.

That's why we're building the littoral combat ship, they're not armed! :-)

191 posted on 12/13/2013 10:33:45 AM PST by gura (If Allah is so great, why does he need fat sexually confused fanboys to do his dirty work? -iowahawk)
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To: Travis McGee
What do tyrants do when social problems boil over at home? Unite their people around patriotic themes, and send their armies abroad on adventures.

That's what progressives have traditionally said happens, but that's not what really happens. Governments have expansive territorial goals when they are strong. Attempting to expand during a period of weakness means defeat in war and immediate defenestration. Was any of Britain's territorial expansion done during a period of weakness? Heck, maybe the Byzantines should simply have attacked the Turks instead of fighting amongst themselves. The reality is that they fought each other because they were weak, and it would have been suicidal to fight the Turks.

192 posted on 12/13/2013 10:40:01 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: chiefqc

I am so dismayed by the photo ops with Obummer and Putin. Obummer looks like he is just pontificating around, while Putin looks on, chin on his hand, as if he is listening to a 1st grader tell a story.

This dimwit, and his whole cabinet and every one of his appointees are way out of their league.

The Russians first, now the Chinese are playing chicken with our president. Guess who’s losing.

Great God, please deliver us another Ronald Reagan!


193 posted on 12/13/2013 10:41:45 AM PST by esoxmagnum (Turtles don't win fights, they just turtle up. Victory belongs to the aggressor, not the turtle.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
It has nothing to do with me or you. Free trade is one of those nice sounding terms in the utopian world of academia, but in the real world, we must deal with how it is really practiced. Should our trade policy take into account such factors as child or slave labor? Environmental issues? Currency manipulation? Protectionism and other barriers to our exports?

Do you believe in the free movement of labor across national borders?

194 posted on 12/13/2013 10:44:10 AM PST by kabar
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To: 1010RD
Utterly false. Free trade assumes only liberty. There is not now and never has been a "level playing field" between any person or nation.

By level playing field, I mean the concept of reciprocity. You cannot give another country unfettered access to our markets while they deny us the same treatment for our exports and access to their markets.

How do you define liberty as it pertains to free trade?

195 posted on 12/13/2013 10:47:42 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

To movement across borders? No! - but again, we have self inflicted many wounds onto our own work force, with unrealistic expectations for low end labor, government hand outs ,etc……and reducing our liberalism at home would largely solve this problem.

But as for the US trade policy? No, it cannot address those other problems you mentioned, not without clumsy central planning that picks rife with unintended and bad consequences to our own people, including the stunting of technology.

For example, we should not blame Apple or China for the fact that almost all of Apple’s products are made in China. Why? Because it’s American liberalism that caused it….not Apples’ greed. As for the conditions in China that make it attractive? Sorry, not something our elected officials can change. We just can’t.


196 posted on 12/13/2013 10:48:27 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: kabar

You are focused on the “labor” compoenent….while ignoring the “consumer” component, which is 1000X bigger.

You need to go listen to Milton Friedman on “the pencil.”


197 posted on 12/13/2013 10:49:28 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: kabar
You cannot give another country unfettered access to our markets while they deny us the same treatment for our exports and access to their markets.

Now it looks as if you are arguing in favor of free trade agreements.

198 posted on 12/13/2013 10:51:16 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Your allegiances are clear.


199 posted on 12/13/2013 10:52:46 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: stormer
I don't mind if the Chinese choke to death so I can buy a cheaper TV. Try buying one made in the USA and let me know how much that costs.
200 posted on 12/13/2013 10:53:37 AM PST by McGruff (Obama lied. Period!)
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