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Nixon and Kennedy: The Myths and Reality
Townhall.com ^ | November 19, 2013 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 11/19/2013 9:12:32 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: Arthur McGowan

Yes, there is a lot of incriminating evidence on LBJ. He also made inappropriate sexual remarks to Jackie Kennedy. Bill Clinton would have been best buddies with him.


21 posted on 11/19/2013 10:20:47 AM PST by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Lakeshark

What you just described was a result of the democrats cutting off all funding and Ford going along with it.

I know South Vietnamese pilots who said they would only get enough fuel to fly to the target and back home. The NVA would move the target out of range. A pilot told me he could see the target but didn’t have enough fuel to make it there and back home.

And don’t forget those brave men on the bridge who fought to the death with nothing but their hands because they had ran out of ammo.


22 posted on 11/19/2013 10:21:43 AM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: Arthur McGowan

JFK was shot by Oswald, the sole and only assassin, who acted alone.


23 posted on 11/19/2013 10:31:49 AM PST by Fiji Hill (Auley)
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To: bert

That’s very telling. Thanks.


24 posted on 11/19/2013 10:32:06 AM PST by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: camle

THE CUBAN MISSILE CRISIS - KENNEDY’S SECOND BACKSTAD

http://townhall.com/columnists/humbertofontova/2012/10/16/the_cuban_missile_crisiskennedys_second_backstab/page/full

BY Humberto Fontova

10/16/2012

That Khrushchev swept the floor with Kennedy during the Cuban Missile Crisis was a mainstream American view throughout much of the Cold War. Nixon and Goldwater, for instance, represented opposite poles of the Republican establishment of their time.

“We locked Castro’s communism into Latin America and threw away the key to its removal,” growled Barry Goldwater about the JFK’s Missile Crisis “solution.”

“Kennedy pulled defeat out of the jaws of victory,” complained Richard Nixon. “Then gave the Soviets squatters rights in our backyard.”

Generals Curtis Le May and Maxwell Taylor represented opposite poles of the military establishment.

“The biggest defeat in our nation’s history!” bellowed Air Force chief Curtis Lemay while whacking his fist on his desk upon learning the details of the deal.

“We missed the big boat,” complained Gen. Maxwell Taylor after learning of same.

“We’ve been had!” yelled then Navy chief George Anderson upon hearing on October 28, 1962, how JFK “solved” the missile crisis. Adm. Anderson was the man in charge of the very “blockade” against Cuba.

“It’s a public relations fable that Khrushchev quailed before Kennedy,” wrote Alexander Haig. “The legend of the eyeball to eyeball confrontation invented by Kennedy’s men paid a handsome political dividend. But the Kennedy-Khrushchev deal was a deplorable error resulting in political havoc and human suffering through the America’s.”

Even Democratic luminary Dean Acheson despaired: “This nation lacks leadership,” he grumbled about the famous “Ex-Comm meetings” so glorified in Thirteen Days. “The meetings were repetitive and without direction. Most members of Kennedy’s team had no military or diplomatic experience whatsoever. The sessions were a waste of time.”

But not for the Soviets. “We ended up getting exactly what we’d wanted all along,” snickered Nikita Khrushchev in his diaries, “security for Fidel Castro’s regime and American missiles removed from Turkey and Italy. Until today the U.S. has complied with her promise not to interfere with Castro and not to allow anyone else to interfere with Castro. After Kennedy’s death, his successor Lyndon Johnson assured us that he would keep the promise not to invade Cuba.”

In fact Khrushchev prepared to yank the missiles before any “bullying” by Kennedy. “What!” Khrushchev gasped on Oct. 28th 1962, as recalled by his son Sergei. “Is he (Fidel Castro) proposing that we start a nuclear war? That we launch missiles from Cuba?”

“Apparently.”

“Yesterday the Cubans shot down a plane (U-2 with) without (Soviet) permission. Today they’re preparing a nuclear attack.”

“But that is insane!...Remove them (our missiles) as soon as possible! Before it’s too late. Before something terrible happens!” commanded the Soviet premier.

So much for the gallant Knights of Camelot forcing the Russians’ retreat. In fact, the Castro brothers and Che Guevara’s genocidal lust is what prompted the Butcher of Budapest to yank the missiles from their reach.

In his diaries Khrushchev snickers further: “it would have been ridiculous for us to go to war over Cuba–for a country 8,000 miles away. For us, war was unthinkable.” So much for the threat that so rattled the Knights of Camelot and inspired such cinematic and literary epics of drama and derring-do by their court scribes and court cinematographers.

Considering the U.S. nuclear superiority over the Soviets at the time of the (so-called) Missile Crisis (five thousand nuclear warheads for us, three hundred for them) it’s hard to imagine a President Nixon — much less Reagan — quaking in front of Khrushchev’s transparent ruse a la Kennedy.

The genuine threat came —not from Moscow—but from the Castros and Che. “If the missiles had remained, we would have fired them against the very heart of the U.S., including New York. The victory of socialism is well worth millions of atomic victims.” (Che Guevara to Sam Russell of The London Daily Worker, November 1962.)

“Of course I knew the missiles were nuclear- armed,” responded Fidel Castro to Robert McNamara during a meeting in 1992. “That’s precisely why I urged Khrushchev to launch them. And of course Cuba would have been utterly destroyed in the exchange.”

“My dream is to drop three Atomic Bombs on New York City (Raul –not Fidel—Castro, Nov. 1960.)

The Kennedy team’s brainstorming sessions were certainly no waste of time for the primary beneficiary. “Many concessions were made by the Americans about which not a word has been said,” snickered Fidel Castro as late as 1968. “Perhaps one day they’ll be made public.”

“We can’t say anything public about this agreement. It would be too much of a political embarrassment for us.” That’s Robert F. Kennedy to Soviet ambassador Anatoly Dobrynin when closing the deal that ended the so-called crisis.

(All above quotes are fully documented in “Fidel: Hollywood’s Favorite Tyrant.”)

Castro’s regime’s was granted new status. Let’s call it MAP, or Mutually-Assured-Protection. Cuban freedom-fighters working from south Florida were suddenly rounded up for “violating U.S. neutrality laws.” Some of these bewildered men were jailed, others “quarantined,” prevented from leaving Dade County. The Coast Guard in Florida got 12 new boats and seven new planes to make sure Castro remained unmolested.

JFK’s Missile Crisis “solution” also pledged that he immediately pull the rug out from under Cuba’s in-house freedom fighters. Raul Castro himself admitted that at the time of the Missile Crisis his troops and their Soviet advisors were up against 179 different “bands of bandits” as he labeled the thousands of Cuban anti-Communist rebels then battling savagely and virtually alone in Cuba’s countryside, with small arms shipments from their compatriots in south Florida as their only lifeline.

Kennedy’s deal with Khrushchev cut this lifeline. Think about it: here’s the U.S. Coast Guard and Border patrol working ‘round the clock arresting Hispanics in the U.S. who are desperate to return to their native country.

This ferocious guerrilla war, waged 90 miles from America’s shores, might have taken place on the planet Pluto for all you’ll read about it in the MSM and all you’ll learn about it from Kennedy’s court scribes, who scribbled Kennedy’s “victory.” To get an idea of the odds faced by those betrayed Cuban rebels, the desperation of their battle and the damage they wrought, you might revisit Tony Montana during the last 15 minutes of “Scarface.”

It’s a tribute to the power of Castroite mythology that, even with all this information a matter of public record for almost half a century the academic/media mantra (gloat, actually) still has Castro, “defying ten U.S. Presidents!” Instead he’s been protected by them.


25 posted on 11/19/2013 10:32:44 AM PST by Dqban22
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To: VerySadAmerican
So you're telling me we actually won and this truly was a Nixonian triumph?

Okay, I understand what you're saying, but let's not pretend this was a good example of how great Nixon was. The man put on wage and price controls, started the EPA, affirmative action, and wasn't particularly an honest man.

How about Pat does a comparison to a genuine conservative like Reagan, instead of prop up his old boss?

26 posted on 11/19/2013 10:34:23 AM PST by Lakeshark (Mr Reid, tear down this law!)
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To: Arthur McGowan

Padre, not much interest on this site. Very few have studied it. The “Oswald was a commie” explanation suits them fine.

Oswald’s aunt, Mrs. Lillian Murret ... for whom did she work? And her daughter Marilyn.


27 posted on 11/19/2013 10:38:39 AM PST by campaignPete R-CT (WWIP? Who would Impy pick?)
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To: Kaslin
nixon bowling photo: dude's art nixon_bowling.jpg

Nixon doubled down on Johnson creating the EPA, OSHA, and Affirmative Action. Too bad Reagan didn't get the nomination in 68'. But at least he bowled better than Obama.

28 posted on 11/19/2013 10:42:17 AM PST by Snickering Hound
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To: Lakeshark
To suggest this was a Nixonian triumph is a bit much.

I am sorry, but you are incorrect. Nixon did, in fact, end the Vietnam war, and left the country in control of the South Vietnamese.

However, the Democrat controlled Congress passed laws that forbade any further US involvement or cost in Vietnam. This was a sign to the North Vietnamese that they could then re-attack South Vietnam without the threat of US armed forces.

In other words, at the point of the boat lifts and fall of Saigon, Nixon's hands were TIED and there was NOTHING that he could have done - legally - to support South Vietnam. Nixon left with clean hands - the death and massacre that followed was because of the Democrat controlled Congress!
29 posted on 11/19/2013 10:49:39 AM PST by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: Kaslin

I agree with 90% except it’s not clear Kennedy was wrong to back off a bit with the Soviets. The Cold War was young Kruschev was unstable and possibility of nuclear war seemed likely. I know Nixon felt we should have taken Cuba, sounds good but I’m not so sure.


30 posted on 11/19/2013 10:52:23 AM PST by Williams (No Obama)
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To: Kaslin
Whenever you hear about Watergate, it's all very shadowy and full of innuendo. Hardly anyone really knows what Nixon might have done to deserve impeachment. Everyone knows he was a so-called "monster" because Woodward and Bernstein told them so but very few know exactly what he might have done to deserve that reputation.

Good article. Thanks.

31 posted on 11/19/2013 10:52:39 AM PST by what's up
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To: dsc

Somebody has. That’s why I’ve heard about it.


32 posted on 11/19/2013 10:53:58 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Lakeshark
The man put on wage and price controls, started the EPA, affirmative action, and wasn't particularly an honest man.

I can agree that as a whole, Nixon left a terrible trail of problems from which America has not recovered, and may never be able to recover.

But on Vietnam, by the time Nixon was elected, the war was a money pit that the American public were tired of and did not have the intestinal fortitude to actually WIN. They just wanted out, and Nixon was triumphant in that action.

I think that if Nixon had been president, instead of JFK, we would have went into that war with a plan to WIN - not a plan to stalemate!
33 posted on 11/19/2013 10:58:59 AM PST by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: Arthur McGowan
A man named Thurston Clarke was on C-SPAN recently, talking about his new book JFK's Last Hundred Days.

When, after the assassination, one of the Kennedy people was about to come out with a book (I think it may have been Arthur Schlesinger, Jr.), he let Jackie go over it first. She went through and crossed out anything favorable about LBJ.

34 posted on 11/19/2013 11:10:53 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Arthur McGowan

LBJ in Altgen photo?

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=16472


35 posted on 11/19/2013 11:19:17 AM PST by campaignPete R-CT (WWIP? Who would Impy pick?)
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To: Kaslin
gave 18-year-olds the right to vote, created an Environmental Protection Agency

BIG mistakes, both.

36 posted on 11/19/2013 11:29:23 AM PST by The Truth Will Make You Free
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To: pgkdan

Pat would have written, You’re.


37 posted on 11/19/2013 11:31:06 AM PST by billhilly (Has Pelosi read it yet?)
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To: pgkdan

Pat would have spelled it you’re.


38 posted on 11/19/2013 11:32:23 AM PST by billhilly (Has Pelosi read it yet?)
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To: Lakeshark
He seems to have forgotten the video of the last helicopters leaving the embassy, all the boat people in the harbor, the mass killings, and the takeover of the South by the North, all in less than a year.

It was more than two years. The cease fire (Paris Peace Accords in Jan, 1973.
Nixon resigned (Aug., 1974).
The radical left (Watergate Class)took over congress (Jan. 1975) and cut off all funding and air support for South Vietnam.
Saigon fell (April 1975.)

39 posted on 11/19/2013 11:32:43 AM PST by Ditto
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To: Paine in the Neck

My first presidential vote came that year, and it was for Nixon. I was on active duty in the Air Force at the time. Little did I know that I would get to know President Nixon years later, or get an appointment from him, both of which I did.


40 posted on 11/19/2013 11:36:30 AM PST by billhilly (Has Pelosi read it yet?)
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