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Pa. Pastor facing church trial over gay marriage
chron.com ^ | 11/18/13 | Michael Rubinkam

Posted on 11/18/2013 3:24:56 AM PST by SoFloFreeper

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To: AppyPappy; xzins; SoFloFreeper; markomalley; Cronos
I know a pastor that CHOSE to become a homosexual and he got the thumb from the UMC almost immediately.

That might be an exception rather than the rule. Please see the article I just found, looking into this, and have posted:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3092707/posts

. . . sadly.

By subscribing to a "social gospel" message and "social justice" program, the Church has committed itself to be guided by the wishes of the kosmos, the world system, rather than by Biblical truths. IMHO

41 posted on 11/18/2013 9:03:35 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: imardmd1; AppyPappy; SoFloFreeper; markomalley; Cronos

The article you posted is about one of our retired bishops. The denomination is a puzzle to some who haven’t thought about it a lot, but there is no authority over a bishop in our denomination. They are each in charge of their own geographic region (conference), and they do not answer to anyone in the church.

And here we’re talking about a retired bishop, and they simply answer to no one, but at the same time they are now over no one.

Our church governance is responsible for a lot of our problems, but at the same time, to understand the problems one must also understand the governance.


42 posted on 11/18/2013 9:13:21 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: imardmd1
By subscribing to a "social gospel" message and "social justice" program, the Church has committed itself to be guided by the wishes of the kosmos, the world system, rather than by Biblical truths. IMHO

You can no doubt fine that. At the same time, had you been at our humble, rural church yesterday, you'd have heard about Jacob's flight from home after, with his mother's help, he'd deceived his father and cheated his brother. God got his attention in a dream with a stairway to heaven. (Gen 28)

43 posted on 11/18/2013 9:16:59 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

And it is fruitless for the church to come down hard on homosexuality while ignoring adultery. Homosexuality is a minor blip on the Biblical radar compared to adultery.

Remember something about these gay pastors who leave their families. They almost always seek other lovers while still married. Where’s the outrage? It’s covered up by the “tolerance”.


44 posted on 11/18/2013 9:38:02 AM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: AppyPappy
Homosexuality is a minor blip on the Biblical radar compared to adultery.

I agree that the bible rejects adultery. However, it also utterly rejects homosexuality. I wouldn't call it just a "blip" and feel comfortable that I'd done the biblical distinctions justice.

45 posted on 11/18/2013 9:47:59 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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No, it utterly rejects adultery. Adultery is the foundation of all sin. Homosexuality is just one of the manifestations. It just comes with its own “Get Out Of Jail” card because it excuses its sin.
I am curious to know whether my pastor would say it is a sin for her ex-husband to have an affair considering he is “married” to another man. Would it be a sin if his “partner” agreed to it?(very common)
We are so focused on his sexuality that we have ignored the fact that he dumped his wife and kids for another lover.


46 posted on 11/18/2013 11:30:11 AM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: xzins
Well, Chaplain, I know a little bit about Jacob and what he represents. The point is, when you really entrust your whole being unto the disposition of He Who sits in the Chair of Judgment, and the Holy Spirit issues a summons from that Judge, is not confession of that fault--a true repentance--an abandoning of that act and mindset--needed for the judge to vacate His order? Is that true whether it is an individual or a congregation identifying with Him? N'est ce pas?
47 posted on 11/18/2013 12:26:25 PM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Resolute Conservative

I’ve met a few conservative female pastors. a few mind you.


48 posted on 11/18/2013 1:13:59 PM PST by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: imardmd1

I think that an abandoning of sin is, as you say, the objective of repentance.

That said, notice Jacob had not submitted. He said, “If You’ll do this that and the other for me, then You’ll be my God.”

That wasn’t a textbook confession by any means in Genesis 28. Yet, God started Jacob on Jacob’s journey toward God, and Jacob did not resist.


49 posted on 11/18/2013 4:59:12 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: AppyPappy
Adultery is the foundation of all sin

I could take it there and probably make a case for it, but I think Satan's sin was pride, a narcissistic placing of self above God.

50 posted on 11/18/2013 5:02:04 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

But God accused Israel of committing adultery with other gods. That was always their greatest sin.
In the NT, they would commit adultery with “The Law”. They came to worship themselves.


51 posted on 11/18/2013 5:20:10 PM PST by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: Vaquero

At the rate we are going almost all denominations will be sodomite before long. I’m sick and tired of churches bowing to the homosexual agenda after repeated bullying!


52 posted on 11/18/2013 8:12:12 PM PST by opres
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Other organizations too. I am disgusted with the Boy Scouts of America. The homo lifestyle love to infiltrate groups that mentor boys. They are despicable and those caught should be castrated and/or killed. Instead the BSA is giving them an open invite.


53 posted on 11/19/2013 3:43:02 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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