How Ethanol Has Hurt The Environment

Political Realities ^ | 11/14/13 | LD Jackson

[DeWalt]

Deceived or B.S. crammed down your throat? Anyone that is deceived by goverment, deceived themselves. When looking for information on any given subject, never go to a goverment source or a goverment funded source. Global Warming anyone?

[JDoutrider]

Exactly! The non-ox sold around here is 90 cents more than the corn juice. It’s worth it in the long run....

[Missouri gal]

These are common liberal fallacies. “Pollution” in the liberal mindset is planting fallow fields with something that will make a little more than it costs to raise it. The “reducing food” fallacy ignores that the ethanol produced does NOT reduce the food value of the corn pulp remainder, which is fed to cattle. Also, if the farmer stays in business instead of going broke taking pennies for his product, you are NOT reducing food availability, but securing it better. Finally, corn is not the only source of ethanol. Many other things of little value, like wood pulp and other plant waste can be used. As to whether ethanol damages cars, my understanding is that it will damage older cars not properly made for ethanol, but fine for almost all cars on the road.

People, please stop buying into liberal hoaxes!

[SpeakerToAnimals]

The first mandated use of ethanol was in Denver in 1988. Wrenching in a Toyota dealership I saw firsthand the problems caused by ethanol. At the time emission testing was done in repair shops. Most cars and trucks still had carburetors.

I made a bundle resetting the idle mixture (under a sealed plug) every spring, and again every fall.

Junk science promoted for the reelection of scumbag politicians in corn country. Like Senator Grassley.

[hal ogen]

Ethanol as an additive to gasoline (rather than using corn for food) accomplishes internationally what the LIBs are accomplishing domestically with their love of abortions...killing (mainly) poor children. These ghouls must be removed before they murder all humanity.

[Mr. Lucky]

You've hit the nail on the head.

The biggest flaw of the fuel ethanol industry isn't the product they produce, but the business model they've chosen. Had the industry spent as much money on bringing an ethanol optimized engine to market as they have on convincing the government to eliminate market choices, it might produce a viable product.

[fungoking]

ethanol is just energy version of government run health care.

[wita]

“Had the industry spent as much money on bringing an ethanol optimized engine to market as they have on convincing the government to eliminate market choices, it might produce a viable product.”

Very interesting point you bring up. Since 2006 apparently there is a computer switch, within the vehicle brain, that allows multiple fuel use. There are those in the wings that would like to see methanol (straight) as a fuel, and the computer switch would allow it, E-85, biodiesel, and much greater alcohol percentages to run, with some fuel system mods to avoid corrosion.

At the moment the unfortunate point is the switch is off from the factory, and getting it turned on from the factory involves convincing a bunch of lobbyists from the oil industry it is a good idea. They will probably think otherwise.

[BlueMondaySkipper]

People, please stop buying into liberal hoaxes!

I did that a long time ago. Today, it's your turn.

Your information is flat out wrong. For example, while the leftover corn pulp can be feed to animals, it is most certainly NOT the same food value. The alcohol is calories removed. period.
Second, your understanding about engine damage is wrong. Rather than taking the corn lobby's word for it you should talk to folks who work on cars and manufacturers who warranty cars.
Third, burning corn does not make our food availability better. In fact it makes it worse, much worse. For every acre that is dedicated to ethanol production, less are dedicated to food. This simple supply and demand scenario, makes food more scarce and expensive.

I could go on, but it sounds like YOU are the one listening to the liberal BS.

[Shery]

I also read an article about 3-4 years back stating that the emissions from ethanol gas were more noxious than the gasoline only engines. Will this change anybody’s mind? Apparently not. They seem to disregard any data that does not conform to their predesigned agenda. Truth be told, that agenda is population control, not emission control! IN light of the fact that by growing millions of acres more of the feed corn used to produce ethanol costing the lives of millions of men, women & children around the world in food, the finding was laughed off and ridiculed. So, instead of curbing world hunger, we are embarked upon producing a more noxious gas then before and sticking our middle finger to the suffering of the world. What a black eye that is for America.

[SpeakerToAnimals]

Well said. I agree. As an auto technician I see the cost to consumers, but it pales in comparison to the intentional starving of millions.

[GGpaX4DumpedTea]

Later

[OldNewYork]

Good point, even not considering what it does to automotive seals.

[LD Jackson]

I’m not certain about the food value question, but I am positive about the fact that ethanol is not good for engines. Your understanding that it is fine for almost all vehicles on the road is simply not true. I know this because I work in an automotive repair shop and we deal with the problems it causes every day.

[Verginius Rufus]

A couple of days ago I got gas at a station which had higher-octane grades of gasoline which it claimed were ethanol-free. I have always put the lowest octane gas in my car. Can it do any harm to my car if I were to start putting higher-octane gas in it?

[wally_bert]

There are a few pure gas places in my area and all of them are a buck or so more last bought any for the Willys and K5.

[Spitzensparkin1]

"A couple of interesting facts from that pure gas website. My home state CT has no stations that carry pure gas. NY state has quite a few. A lot of them are boat marinas. Very few sell 87 octane which most cars recommend. Alaska: all gasoline is ethanol-free. Interesting facts."

Another interesting fact, here in my state only one city is mandated by the EPA to use oxygenated (10% alcohol) fuels. Not the entire state, but just one city. But because of the supposed air pollution in Albuquerque, and the EPA requirement, refiners here are now only making gasahol because there isn't enough refining capacity to make both. Can't build new refineries because the EPA red tape.

Slowly but surely stations were switching over and selling gasahol for the past few years. We used to be able to get regular gas at a couple of stations here until this summer because it was piped in from Texas. I'd go out of my way to buy real gas from them. No more, they have changed hands, were bought out, now every gas station in my county and as far as I know the entire state now has only gasahol even though there was no legal requirement except in the one city.

I think this is really just an "under the radar" plan to kill off all the older vehicles with a fuel that destroys them, forcing us to all drive Obamacars.

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