Maryland Air Force Sgt. Shoots Home Intruder: Charged With Murder

Save America Foundation ^ | November 6, 2013 | Fred Brownbill

[Alaska Wolf]

Are you going to deny the fact that the cops have to deal with an ever increasing number of heavily armed drug dealers, drug users, gangbangers, illegals and psychos?

Are you suggesting people should have no respect for any authority figures in the US?

[fr_freak]

I asked you first.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks Alaska Wolf.

Their sole basis for this charge is that he should have called 911. There is no nationwide average response time for a 911 call, however unless they are faster than 1,310 ft/s, there really is no point in calling 911 in the case of a hostile home invasion. While the Assistant State’s Attorney, Glen Neubauer, maintains that he should have called 911, and that even the act of grabbing the gun in the first place is “bizarre behavior in itself,”

ANY attorney who prosecutes on this basis should be disbarred and belongs in prison.

[Alaska Wolf]

Yes to number 1. As a Christian I respect authority figures until they no longer earn and deserve it. Do you disdain the entire military because of a few abusive, murderous POS?

[fr_freak]

Do you disdain the entire military because of a few abusive, murderous POS?

It's not about disdaining the entire police force. Sure there are good cops. But rather than saying that a 3am no-knock raid at the wrong address for a loitering warrant was an anomaly because those particular cops misbehaved and not all cops do that, you should be realizing that the very existence of the concept of a 3am no-knock raid for anything less than a capital crime is the problem. And that means that the current operational thinking of the entire law enforcement establishment is the problem.

These "anomalous" instances of bad cop behavior wouldn't be nearly so numerous if the people they work for didn't put them constantly in situations with guidelines that almost encourage bad behavior. You have a policy of using SWAT for low-grade warrants in the form of no-knock raids, you're practically ASKING for your guys eventually to kill innocent people. It's the TACTIC that begets the oppressive outcomes. And that tactic comes from a mindset that increasingly views the Constitution as an impediment.

[cynwoody]

Are you suggesting people should have no respect for any authority figures in the US?

I would start with the top authority figure in the US and proceed by recursive descent.

[chaosagent]

The victim showing up at 2:00am and breaking the door trumps that, not only is that bizarre, but much more relevant.

But yea, if it was 2:00 in the afternoon, I would say grabbing the gun is certainly interesting, but doesn’t reach the description as bizarre.

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I’m sorry, but morning, noon, or night, if someone kicks my door down, I’m grabbing my gun.

[Alaska Wolf]

It's not about disdaining the entire police force.

Then why is it so evident from so many posters here?

Sure there are good cops.

Most of the cops are good.

Out of 330 million people in the US, how many have experienced a 3AM no-knock raid? Many more innocent people die from medical mistakes than from law enforcement mistakes.

[Alaska Wolf]

I totally agree about the top authority figure in the US, plus the administration and most of congress. There are some good people in politics and working in government so it would be foolish to make a general condemnation.

[Smokin' Joe]

You’re clear, however if you’re a prison guard or a law enforcement agent. They don’t even appear to apply restrictions to those two categories.

Which flies in the face of Equal protection under the law.

The more Americans accept this two-tiered system, the farther we get from the Constitution.

Back to Animal Farm...

[MaxMax]

you say “I was in fear for my life”

I'll add, "Then shut UP". Sleazy District Attorneys are always trying to make a name for themselves
and we're all just numbers. I'm betting he cooperated before he was charged. Zimmerman
made the same mistake.

[Usagi_yo]

I don’t disagree. No reason for violently bursting into somebodies home at 2:00 am. Let’s just make sure that that’s what happened.

If I was a DA, who’s job it is to represent the people, no matter how sure I thought the shooting was up and up, I would at least want these questions answered.

1. When was the last time either one of the 3 had contact with the victim prior to the shooting?
2. When was the first time they met the victim?
3. How long did the victim live there?
4. When was the victim asked to move out?
5. Did the wife have an intimate (sexual) relationship with the victim?
6. Where there any previous confrontations with the victim.
7. Did they owe any money to the victim?
8. Did the victim owe any money to them?
9. Did the victim have any belongings left at the house?

The story we read only contains things the defense lawyer wanted us to know.

[fr_freak]

Out of 330 million people in the US, how many have experienced a 3AM no-knock raid?

I think you're not getting the point because you don't want to get it. 3AM no-knock raids SHOULD NOT EXIST unless you're after well-armed Bonnie and Clyde, or some such thing. The fact that the operational philosophy of law enforcement today incorporates 3am no-knock raids makes it inherently oppressive, and in an inherently oppressive environment, many of those with authority are going to abuse it, period. And the citizenry is going to get angry.

I'm sure there were plenty of nice guys in the German Army in WWII, but they were still a threat to freedom everywhere, and we still had to shoot them.

[Alaska Wolf]

3AM no-knock raids SHOULD NOT EXIST unless you're after well-armed Bonnie and Clyde, or some such thing.

Who is the the person you want to make that decision?

[fr_freak]

"3AM no-knock raids SHOULD NOT EXIST unless you're after well-armed Bonnie and Clyde, or some such thing."

Who is the the person you want to make that decision?

How is that the most relevant question? OK, I'll bite - how about the head guy in the department? The junior guys come to him and say "We know there is a dangerous, well-armed fugitive holed up in this house here. What do we do?" and the Chief, Lt. or whoever is in charge looks at the evidence, assesses the situation, and, if the fugitive is dangerous enough, he says "OK, get the warrant and go ahead with the raid." Some of the criteria the top dog should be using is "Does this violate citizens' rights? Does this put innocent citizens at risk unnecessarily? Is there a less cowboy way of doing this?"

Isn't that what we pay the top guys to do? Use common sense and experience to get the job done while following the law? Instead of just giving a thumbs up to SWAT every time they want to go after a suspected shoplifter?

[Alaska Wolf]

OK, I'll bite - how about the head guy in the department?

Isn't that the guy responsible now?

[Age of Reason]

Did the wife have an intimate (sexual) relationship with the victim?

It's too bad that alone wouldn't add to the justification of this shooting.

[Usagi_yo]

It doesn’t. That’s true. What’s your point though? That nothing should be investigated? The article was one sided presenting his client in the best and most innocent characterization they can.