‘Snowden testimony would be a disaster’

Deutsche Welle ^ | 11/02/2013 | Gero Schließ

[Delta 21]

I bet that guy can kick Segall’s ass.

[mylife]

I like the way you think.

Ooga Booga indeed.

[yefragetuwrabrumuy]

Truth be told, Germany needs to again think of itself not as “just a member” of the EU, of NATO, of whatever, but as a unique nation.

After the Napoleonic wars, France also renounced its history and officially despised Napoleon Bonaparte in the nastiest of terms. So much so that there are entire libraries devoted to just him and his reign. Technically, he is the second most written about individual after Jesus.

It took almost 150 years (1815-1965) for the French to finally get around to thinking of Napoleon Bonaparte as a great French leader, even if he eventually lost and was deposed.

And eventually, the Germans will do the same with Hitler. It is almost an inevitability, once he and Nazism and the evil that they wrought, and their victims, are no longer in living memory. It has been 68 years, so it will not be long now where the process will *begin* to see history more objectively. Though generally speaking it is more likely that a 100 must pass before not just the victims, but their children, are mostly gone. This would be the year 2045.

But, in the meantime, Germans have to recognize that they are German, and that this has a cultural and historical significance as a people, completely apart from membership in any organization. A people with a benign purpose.

[Olog-hai]

You calling for Germany to be nationalist again? You do remember what happened last time that occurred, right?

Frankly, they do already see themselves as above the European Union; they certainly don't see themselves as European alone, but German. Their old Deutschlandlied has been performed in public quite a bit of late, to more than a bit of controversy. Quite a few articles have been written about Germany’s recent wave of patriotism.

[Hardraade]

What is the solution to enemy inforomation and communication monitoring?

Information that cannot be counteracted.

[yefragetuwrabrumuy]

In the short term, this will likely be a good thing as well, because it stands in opposition to the hegemony of the EU, *and* to Germany endlessly bailing out the failing socialist EU nations.

And even if Germany again becomes a nation equipped with a military, hopefully they can pick up some of the slack the US has when there is a worthless Democrat POTUS.

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

Yep...

How Putin Will Change The World
Brother Nathanael

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKM4XeHJqVM

[Jabba the Nutt]

The question is why is Germany, France, Brazil and other countries NOW publicly coming out and attacking the NSA spying?

This has been going on for decades. All major and mid-size countries are involved and they all do it. And everyone has known about this for decades, but did not make an issue of it.

What's changed?

What's changed is that Obama is not a normal President. His goal is to arrange the decline of the power, influence and economy of the United States. They all recognize that Obama is a weak, unreliable, back-stabbing, unserious leader, who's putting the US economy and dollar at risk.

These are huge threats to rest of the world, especially our allies. Russia, China, Iran, North Korea and al Qaeda all see this too and see this as a huge opportunity to expand their own power and influence. Putin and Merkel were named as more powerful than Obama

We have 3 1/2 years left of Obama. It'll take another 4 or more years for the US to recover. So we are talking another decade like the 1930's and the rise of the dictators. Our former allies are scrambling trying to come up with ways to protect themselves and looking to new partners and arrangement. The Egyptians are turing to the Saudis, Gulf States and Russia. The Germans are eyeing Russia.

If the US isn't a partner anymore, then it makes sense to weaken them further and using the NSA is a cheap way to do it.

But it's not about the spying.

[Hardraade]

My dear Sir Francis, you’re out of your tiny mind. Please go away.

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

Address the issue...

And give me facts.

You cannot, you’ll make excuse like Obama...

[Olog-hai]

No, that’s not what they are about at all. The EU is the brainchild of German elites, and they have the elites of other countries on board. Don’t be fooled. There is no “endless bailout” going on—those are loans, and with some very draconian payback terms; Germany’s elites did not hand those out unwillingly, although the German people were against it, never mind the people of now-debtor countries.

Do you think Germany will abandon the social market economy after instituting it at home first, and then across 27 other European nations by treaty after that?

[Hardraade]

What facts? That you’re twatting around Nathanael Kapner, the most poisonous antisemite/jihad outreach fantasist in two decades and that this seems to be your sole reason for your FR membership?

Now get the f*ck outa my face, Adolph.

[Olog-hai]

Kapner’s website realjewnews.com is noted as the web’s #1 antisemitic/anti-Zionist site too.

[Hardraade]

And Mr. Kapner is also a very popular figure over at nazi hangouts like Stormfront and metapedia.

He’s mostly in it for the money, though. Classic scam artist. Just like the ol Aryan Nations and Prussian Blue.

[windcliff]

LOL

[dragnet2]

Snowden is doing a lot to dismantle our intel and Obama gets no responsibility in the game.

Ya think all this started under Obama?

Is this what you're attempting to get people to believe here?

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

Nathanael is a Jewish name, Judas...

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

Zeitgeist?

[mylife]

Not at all.

What I am trying to get you to understand is that NO One has abused the apparatus more than Obama, and he has thermite in place to ensure that no one will get their hands on the tools that he is gleefully using.