Posted on 10/29/2013 2:52:02 PM PDT by TurboZamboni
What happens when you combine bleach and ammonia?
Answer: It will make Chlorine Gas (among other deadly things). That warning is there to protect you. Household bleach has a chemical formula of NaOCl - that is, one atom each of sodium, oxygen, and chlorine. Its chemical name, for the curious, is sodium hypochlorite. Ammonia has a chemical formula of NH3, that is, one atom of nitrogen and three atoms of hydrogen. When these two compounds are combined, the following reaction takes place:
2NaOCl + 2NH3 —> 2NaONH3 + Cl2.
Do you see that Cl2 on the right hand side there? This means one part chlorine gas, made up of diatomic (two-atom) molecules. It also means that the chlorine gas has been liberated from the bleach, and is quite capable of causing you harm when inhaled!
Nitrogen Trichloride (very toxic)
Another potential reaction, which occurs when a greater amount of bleach is added than ammonia, is this:
3NaOCl + NH3 —> 3NaOH + NCl3 That’s sodium hydroxide and nitrogen trichloride. Nitrogen trichloride is a very toxic chemical to humans, and even if you did get close enough to ingest it, it would probably explode in your face first, as it is also a very volatile explosive. There is little necessity in explaining why that is bad.
Hydrazine (explosive rocket fuel) Another reaction can occur if you have more ammonia than bleach. It is a three-part process. The first reaction produces sodium hydroxide and chloramine.
NH3 + NaOCl —> NaOH +NH2Cl These products react with more ammonia.
NH3 + NH2Cl + NaOH —>N2H4 + NaCl + H2O.
N2H4 is hydrazine, a very unstable compound. Then a final reaction between hydrazine and dichloramine occurs.
2NH2Cl + N2H4 —> 2NH4Cl + N2.
This reaction produces so much heat that it usually causes an explosion.
There are several options, and I like the one where you have some on one side tossing bleach and some on the other side tossing ammonia. Vary the ratios for the varied desired effects. All of this beats Molotov cocktails.
Ya shoulda paged Jack Hydrazine...
Thanks for pinging me!
Different bottles taped together always seemed to make sense to me.
But that is chemical warfare. I would make sure “they” don’t find out where your family is—cuz they will get a taste of the good stuff shortly thereafter.
Two or more bottles taped together is a more sensible configuration.
As they say, ya don’t know Jack...
(sorry, I forgot how to add a link)
I guess I was being rhetorical. When I see armchair warriors discussing how to take out the tanks in our streets, I wonder why they never go to the next step in this process.
If you use chemical weapons against any force, you can be assured they will be used against you. And generally speaking, the populous doesn’t have chem suits.
There’s a big difference between sharing information and running around like an idiot provoking a .gov response
The problem here isn’t the vehicle, it’s how it’s being branded by St Cloud. They should have painted the thing bright red or orange or yellow, painted “St. Cloud Heavy Rescue” on the side and put it under the command of the fire dept rather than the police.
The little New England town I grew up in, as well as all the other little towns around it, were equipped with all sorts of surplus WWII equipment. We had a deuce and a half, two Dodge 3/4 ton trucks and a DUKW. Town next to ours had a couple M3 Half Tracks. Another had an M8 Greyhound. Veterans Day, Memorial Day and 4th of July Parades were VERY cool to a kid with a budding interest in military history. Like me.
Military surplus is a great way to get functional/useful equipment into the hands of smaller localities that could use it. The problem is that the stuff is going into the hands of police forces who see it as a way to make themselves look cool, allow them to act like big city cops, and have a more macho self image.
Thank you, LadyBuck. Well said. I guess I was being rhetorical in the first place.
Oh, I appreciate that. I really don’t foresee the need for that kind of stuff. (Although I do buy bleach by the case at Costco. Ha Ha)
I would just hate to have a plant seeded that, “Yeah, this would be a good idea...”
When the first MRAP blows, I’ll know who to rat out ;-P
LOL
I’m a big believer in information. Never know why, or when you’ll need it. But, it’s better to have it & not need it, then need it & not have it.
PS...Costco is AWESOME! took my first trip there this weekend (we’ve never lived anywhere near one before).
Per the FReeper code of boycotts, you aren’t allowed to admit you went to Costco...sorry.
oh crap...I forgot.
Are we over the wonder-bra boycott yet?
LOL
A few years ago I kept a running tally of every retail establishment that was rated unacceptable by one FReeper or another for ideological transgressions.
After 2 months, there was no place left to shop.
No, we're not. Take it off! ;^) heh heh
I did.
Now I wonder where they went.
“The more they over-think the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain.
- Cmdr. Montgomery Scott (Ret.)
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