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I have previously said that Israel was under no obligation (when being hit by Hezbollah rockets) to respond proportionally, which the UN harped that Israel wasn't doing. Why should they have to respond proportionally?

Secondly, why does the U.S. seem to always call the shots for Israel? Are they not an independent nation? If they want to defend themselves against Syria (which they have in bombing a nuclear facility) and Iraq (the same) and Iran, then are they free to do so?

Nevertheless, it would be best if Syria, Isreal, Iran, etc, etc let go of chemical and nuclear weapons. If not, this will continue to be a thorn in the ME that will continue to fester.

Just me two cents...

1 posted on 09/18/2013 7:05:53 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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Israel must have nuclear weapons, based on simple logic.

Four (actually more) times, the Muslim world has tried to destroy Israel. Destroy meaning annihilation, not just conquest. By any means possible. They say it again and again. They teach it to their children in school.

By comparison, what if Russia and China openly called for exterminating all Americans, so that North America would become part of China; and *then* asked America to get rid of all its nuclear weapons? They would be willing to disarm North Korea in exchange.

Aren’t we willing to meet them halfway in their demand, to insure peace? If we just get rid of our nuclear weapons then *maybe* they will stop calling for our extermination.

Umm. Nope. I don’t think so.

Israel is in such a precarious position that it cannot limit itself to brinksmanship with any particular aggressor nation. For example, with technology being the way it is today, if one Muslim nation attacked Israel, Israel could be so damaged that after that fight it would be helpless against another Muslim nation, with conventional weapons.

And almost without saying so, if Israel was perceived as weak under any circumstance, there would be *several* Muslim nations that would immediately attack it. They just cannot control their violent impulses.

So if Israel does get a serious attack from a Muslim nation, its logical nuclear retaliation should be against any and all Muslim nations that *could* conventionally attack them.

They cannot even wait for hostilities from the second nation, because their nuclear weapons are the primary target for attack by the aggressor nations. If they wait, their nukes could be destroyed.

This was a big reason for putting nuclear cruise missiles in their submarines, so that even if their land based missiles were destroyed, they could still wipe out any Muslim army seeking to invade and destroy them.

More nukes for them, means more opportunity for peace. They need nukes. The Muslim world does not.

The US had to mightily threaten Pakistan, because as soon as it developed nuclear weapons, it wanted to use them against India, which in turn put together its own nuclear weapons at a brisk clip. But even then, knowing that they would be nuked as well, Pakistan was good to go in attacking their hated enemy. Dumbasses.

So the US had to send one of our diplomats to Pakistan, and threaten that the US would annihilate their entire nation if they threw as much as a single nuke at India. Then he went to India and gave them the same threat, though not as much, because India had no desire to nuke Pakistan, and just wanted to be left alone by them.


28 posted on 09/18/2013 8:34:51 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (The best War on Terror News is at rantburg.com)
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IMHO they are trying to nudge Israel to submit and to not be an economic threat to Russia, it is all about the oil and Natural Gas.

Click on the link below, and read this article posted here about a week ago. It is so Poetic, the land of Milk and Honey, look at the color of the Oil coming out of the ground From Israel that Mr. Vinegar is holding...

IMHO Putan must be crapping his shorts over the prospect of Israel challenging their energy dominance which drives "his" machine / country.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/should-israel-get-oil-out-of-vinegar-for-an-energy-revolution/

29 posted on 09/18/2013 8:38:39 AM PDT by taildragger (The E-GOP won't know what hit them, The Party of Reagan is almost here, hang tight folks....)
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Fat chance Odungo and Putrid!!


31 posted on 09/18/2013 9:01:51 AM PDT by EinNYC
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It's my understanding that nukes cost a lot to keep up. As well, chemicals do lose their potency over time.
Israel should just re-fit themselves with newer armaments and THEN give up their old nukes and chem weapons. Easy way to sucker someone else into disposing of them saving $$$.

Or they can give up their nukes nose first and armed, makes no difference to me at this point.

32 posted on 09/18/2013 9:23:13 AM PDT by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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An old man once told me “If someone gives you money, they’re going to tell you how to spend it.” That’s why the US tries to tell Israel what to do.


33 posted on 09/18/2013 9:36:30 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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38 posted on 09/18/2013 5:48:52 PM PDT by SJackson ( The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself. BF)
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The US “calls the shots” because we are currently occupying a good portion of the Arab world and at least conducting black ops against the rest.

That being said, Israel will flip the rigid digit to these requests and are right to do so. The thought of Mecca and Medina and every major Arab city being turned into glowing green glass is one of the few reasons the ragheads haven’t simply abandoned strategy and overwhelmed Israel with, say, a mass infantry charge. The other being that Arabs are so mentally and morally stunted that they can BARELY stop killing each other for ten minutes to do anything else.


41 posted on 09/19/2013 5:17:13 AM PDT by Me1onCollie
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