Posted on 09/06/2013 11:44:52 AM PDT by neverdem
Somewhere there are mice living the good life at the expense of man. I’m tired of it. Either get these things to market for humans or shut these rodent Club Meds down!
Don't look at the Chinese and Japanese. Genome studies can't distinguish the two populations from each other, IIRC. This might be true for other East Asian populations, more or less.
China the highest number of diabetics in the world
There was a story years ago in the NY Times after Bloomberg got on his health nazi hobby horse. IIRC, an overweight Chinese or Japanese was 60 % more likely to get type 2 diabetes as a Causasian who was equally overweight.
Well DUH!! It's also the highest population nation in the world. And, diabetes doesn't always necessarily have anything to do with obesity.
I'm not sure that's true. Look at Asians and Africans as an example. It's rare to see an obese Asian, whether in Asia or in America. Most of them eschew the garbage diet that government meddlers and left-field "nutritionists" have cooked up for us.
What you're missing is that it's the crappy diets - the high carb, high calorie, high-artificial fat, nutrition-free foods that causes the metabolic imbalances.
People eat crap, and it messes up their metabolism, resulting the preferential partitioning of energy into fat storage, and away from muscles and other tissues. So people get fat, while at the same time the rest of their body is starving. So they are hungry, and they are lethargic, while simultaneously they are putting on weight.
It's not that they are eating too much, it's that what they've been eating has messed up their metabolism.
Now as for the Asian cultures that eat a lot of carbs, and don't suffer from these diseases - what they don't eat is sugar or industrial seed oils. Their diets are noticeably lacking in fructose. And generally, people with healthy metabolisms can thrive on quite a lot of carbs. What they can't do is get 20% of their calories from high fructose corn syrup and 20% of their calories from industrial seed oils, and 20% of their calories from refined white flour, and keep their healthy metabolisms.
You don't need Atkins-levels of carb restrictions to stay healthy. You need Atkins-levels of carb restrictions to become healthy, after decades of eating crap has made you sick.
So, what are we supposed to believe?
Just eat real food. You know, the stuff you find in the produce section or at the meat counter. Stuff that doesn't come in a box, or stamped with a bar code. Stuff you buy fresh, and eat fresh, because it spoils if you leave it sitting out.
I never would have thoughht of that, but I didn't wrie the title. /s
And, diabetes doesn't always necessarily have anything to do with obesity.
How many of those with type 2 diabetes and normal weight are really latent autoimmune diabetes in adults and insulin dependent? Whether it's slightly overweight or morbid obesity, the typical type 2 is not skinny.
Bump to the top.
Very interesting article!
I know you uised the word "typical", but I'm going to quibble a bit with you over this. IMO (and I'm no expert), the medical folks are still trying to figure out how the body works. Classifying someone as a "typical diabetic" isn't necessarily a valid observation.
Case in point, I'm a type 2 diabetic. There is no history of diabetes in my family and I have never been morbidly obese. So, how did I become a diabetic? I, along with tens of thousands of other guys, was exposed to Agent Orange in Vietnam. And, diabetes is at the lower end of the diserases associated with Agent Orange.
I make this point because we have a belief in this country that those who are diabetic probably over ate junk food or we eat a lot of sugar. While those are "typical" causes of type 2 diabetes, there are other factors that play a part. As you noted one-third of obese people will never develop diabetes.
From all of my discusions with my doctors and clinicians over the years, I know this - we still have a long way to go to really understand the human body and why things happen the way they do. Until that day arrives, it is, again IMO, a bit early to try to fit people into specific categories based on common factors. We aren't there yet.
Makes sense, as some varieties may secrete apatite increasing hormone analogs to get the host to provide more food. Compare to toxoplasma gondiii and a bunch of other bugs that modify host behavior (rabies, etc.)
Now here's an FR exclusive, assuming it doesn't get pulled again:
Wouldn't it be interesting if a variety that makes the host hungrier thrived on fructose preferentially over varieties that thrive on sucrose?
It's pretty clear that high fructose corn syrup is associate with obesity, and with increased calorie consumption.
This could be why.
And if so, it hints at an effective treatment.
You heard it here first.
“Or we could eat veggies and go for a walk “
BARF!!!!
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