Posted on 08/28/2013 4:11:39 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross
YOU aren’t verified in any way.
And no, we’re not getting fooled, because YOU are not fooling us.
The unmittigated gall.
Bug off to DU.
Excuse me, is this a religion, with articles of faith - or are we discussing politics?
Did we complain that Obama’s so-called scholastic achievements are unverified, and that there are undocumented gaps in his history? If there is justification for demanding verified information about Obama and his murky family history, don’t we have to apply the same standard to our own side?
Don’t you see that you are doing the same thing with Cruz that the Dems do with Obama - they wanted him because they thought he was the perfect candidate, so they ignored inconsistencies, glossed over half-truths, concealed information, and smeared anyone who dared question their messiah.
And now you are trying to suppress me, instead of being grateful that someone who is informed about Cuban history and politics is pointing out what’s wrong with this picture? You should be glad that I’m giving you the heads up - like I did about Rubio, when no one here wanted to listen - before some enterprising leftist reporter uncovers all the facts and rains on your parade bigtime.
A word to the wise is sufficient .... you should be grateful that I'm pointing this out to you ....
I'm glad you brought this information into the light. The interwebs rule.
Let me suggest degree of nastiness is crucial but there’s got to be more.
Suppose you did it in subtle enough manner that you eked by on nastiness.
But the mere fact that somebody is here with totally unverifiable accusations that a conservative star’s FATHER lied about early life in another country when the son himself only knows what his father has told him, and this somebody claims WE’RE being fooled because we don’t accept HIS claims of liar against Rafael?
Not to mention we’re supposed to destroy the son for backing his father’s account of when he was a teenager in CUBA?
Make no mistake, destroying Ted Cruz is what this clown is here for. He could care less about Rafael Cruz, minus the lure of destroying Ted.
This is crazy.
Whether I am verified is not the point. I am not running for public office. But if I were I would expect that statements I made about my father - whether I said he was a refugee or a decorated war hero or a child prodigy on the piano - would be subjected to the same rigorous examination that we would like for Obama’s information. Especially if while running for public office my father was constantly at my side as a featured part of the campaign, being brought forward and identified as a war hero, refugee, recovering alcoholic, self-made millionaire....whatever.
Your surly and unpleasant accusation - that I am from the enemy camp - is completely unworthy of FR. I am simply questioning inconsistencies and pointing out facts that contradict the very muddled and often changed account of Rafael Cruz’s early life.
Um ... that's just not intellectually honest, IMHO.
You have ... as judge, jury and executioner ... decided that both Ted and Rafael Cruz are liars and have spouted this false calumny far and wide.
Well, he has not shown documentation that he doesn't.....so what are we to think????
Actually, I like and admire Ted Cruz very much, which is why it concerns me that the story about his father - which he has made a centerpiece of his campaign - has changed and is riddled with inconsistencies.
Because it is not enough to like and admire someone, and to desperately need them to be the hero on the white horse to save the day for your side. If they are equivocating about their background, it’s only a matter of time before the enemy media will ferret out the truth, and then Humpty Dumpty will have a big fall.
It’s unfortunate - and very unfair - that the Clintons and Obamas, et al can lie and misdirect and cover up all day long and never get called on it. It’s terribly unfair that our side is held to a different standard, and their parking tickets are investigated. But knowing that, we can’t just run blindly behind our own version of “hope & change”, snarling at anyone who dares to question a candidate’s presentation or viability.
Because that’s not a winning strategy for our side.
LOL.
Confucius say ... "Man who live in glass house ... should change clothes in the basement."
Because I know as a fact that one didn’t need permission to leave Cuba in 1957 - as I said before, there were ferries between Havana and Florida, and day trips and weekend trips, from the US to Cuba, and from Cuba to the US, were a common, everyday occurrence.
What was necessary was a visa to enter the US if you were coming to live here - and that was granted by the US government, not the “Batista regime”.
So, show the evidence then.
First of all, I am not a dude.
Secondly, I am not making an accusation against Rafael Cruz. I am questioning the validity of his legend, according to Moscow Rules - that should always be applied in any situation pertaining to Cuba.
I am intimately informed about the years 1950-1960 in Cuba.
Your supposition that Cuba was in chaos in 1957 is completely wrong, and also quite surprising to read from an author of your stature. At that very moment, US and foreign tourism were at an all-time high, new luxury hotels were being built, and the most famous figures of US entertainment, in movies and music were appearing regularly in Havana venues.
In 1957, there were opposition media, openly critical of the government, that published prominent writers - some of whom were self-professed communists. There was also a communist daily newspaper and a communist party-run radio station. They were functioning freely, with none of their personnel in prison.
At the time of the Castro takeover, in January of 1959, Cuba was full of tourists, permanent residents from the US, hundreds of US businesses, and the US embassy was functioning normally. All were taken by surprise. Cuba had just had national elections - in which Batista had not run - and a new president was about to come into office.
Again, is this a religious meeting or a political forum?
Since when is it nasty to question credentials and credibility?
Gosh, simply Nirvana (on the surface). Almost sounds just like today ... Michael Moore raving about Castro's health care system; famous figures of US entertainment appearing regularly ... Jackson, Belafonte and Nicholson shouting ... Viva Fidel ....
btw, did the trains run on time too?
I don’t think it works that way. I think that political figures are supposed to provide documentation when they say their uncle liberated a concentration camp, or that they created a trillion dollar business from a nickel.
I don’t think it’s acceptable to be part of a political campaign and say “I was arrested and tortured” and provide no evidence. Furthermore, Cruz did the same thing as Rubio - initially trying to pass off his father as a refugee from Castro, then, whoops - some enterprising reporter discovers that the father got here before 1959 - and they start to backpedal.
You clearly have made accusations about Daddy Cruz, using the “L” word and also assuming you know what HIS situation was in 1957. I submit that you probably dont know everything you think you do. And you have also been anything BUT circumspect in your questioning. This is why you are getting flamed.
You are also overstating the part Cruz’ father is playing in this entire dynamic. Today was the first time I’ve seen his father, and I’ve been following him since before his primary victory. In other words, your claim that Daddy is the “centerpiece” is frankly insulting and certainly not accurate.
And you are also conflating the ideas brought against your case and therefore making irrelevant replies.
Clearly, I do not know what the story is with Daddy Cruz. I wasn’t there. I am somewhat familiar with pre Castro Cuba, but not enough to have any idea whether or not his personal story is likely true or not. It may be false. But having no reason to think that, I am not rushing to judgement.
And besides, defunding Obama Care is not relevant to this in any way, shape or form.
You aren’t questioning anyone’s credentials right now except Rafael Cruz’s account of leaving Cuba when he was 18 and other things concerning his teen years there fighting the dictator.
Rafael Cruz is not running for anything.
Ted Cruz MIGHT run for President, but you obviously know he has already built tremendous grass roots support for what he has done until now.
You must think we are all extremely stupid. We will NEVER believe that you are here for political reasons concerning RAFAEL CRUZ. What you are here for is to harm Ted Cruz as much as you possibly can.
Again we are not so stupid as to blame Ted Cruz even if there was some inaccuracy in an account by his future father as a very young man in Cuba and upon leaving Cuba for America.
We have no reason to believe there was, but if there was, you wouldn’t be here yakking your clownish head off about it unless it was against the SON, not the FATHER. But to get anywhere with your smear, you have to hope people are so clueless they would blame the son for accepting what his father told him about his background.
There is no other explanation for YOU, being here, doing this.
And I can assure you, you are engaged in an EPIC FAIL.
In other words, you don’t have any documentation, and all you’re doing is just saying that his dad’s a liar.
Doesn’t seem fair to me.
Is your date of joining FR - the day after the 2008 reelection of Obama - a coincidence or were you an early instrument of the “Obama for America” crowd?
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