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Judge gives teen maximum 18 month sentence for killing of 51-year-old man in 'Knockout' case
Syracuse.com ^ | 8.21.13

Posted on 08/23/2013 2:47:35 PM PDT by Arthurio

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To: unlearner

Of course there are people that consider MA pills as a technical means of abortion just like there are people that consider any means of birth control the same thing. There is no correct answer. If you are not sucking a growing child from its womb, then it most likely is not going to be considered an abortion by most reasonable people.


61 posted on 08/24/2013 9:54:50 AM PDT by soycd
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“reasonable people” is usually leftist code word for “facts don’t matter”


62 posted on 08/24/2013 9:57:16 AM PDT by GeronL
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“Of course there are people that consider MA pills as a technical means of abortion just like there are people that consider any means of birth control the same thing.”

I do not know of anyone who thinks condoms preventing pregnancy is the same as an abortion. I am sure a person could find someone who makes such claims in a Westboro Baptist-like group, or probably on the DU forums making straw man arguments, but only someone who is ignorant thinks stopping conception from happening is an abortion or that condoms work by killing fertilized eggs. There are many who think condom use is always wrong or usually wrong, but not murder.

“There is no correct answer.”

Not knowing the correct answer is different from one not existing. There is also a difference between not knowing and not wanting to know.

“it most likely is not going to be considered an abortion by most reasonable people”

Your moral position is based on fickle group opinion which is constantly changing.

The reaonable person argument is acceptable when debating the meaning of words. For example, if a lawsuit hinges on the meaning of a word or phrase used in a contract, what a reasonable person interprets it to mean is a good guideline for how to interpret it. But what constitutes a reasonable person becomes quite subjective when debating the actual morality of a decision or law.

There were millions of “reasonable people” who supported the Nazi holocaust until millions of other “reasonable people” put a stop to it.

I am not arguing that making the right and moral decision regarding “the pill” is an easy one. I am arguing that it causing abortions technically, literally and factually to be true. Yes, there is a correct answer to that.


63 posted on 08/24/2013 11:19:53 AM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: unlearner

Regardless of the “correct” answer, the difference between stopping an unwanted pregnancy within hours compared to weeks and months is clear as night and day.


64 posted on 08/24/2013 11:30:43 AM PDT by soycd
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The difference between armed robbery and the failure to give full disclosure when selling something a person knows is defective are also different as night and day. It doesn’t make one right and the other wrong.

The reason it is wrong to murder is because God said not to murder. It may be that some murders are more horrific than others, but it is not an excuse to commit “lesser” murders just because what other people do is worse.

When you set aside God’s laws and replace them with personal opinions, like it is “clear as night and day” and “reasonable people” think so and so, you are using the same moral judgment as those who rationalize any other kind of murder. To them it is clear and reasonable as well.

In the end we all must give account to God for what we have done. We will be judged, not by what we think should be right and wrong, but by God’s laws in which He has revealed those things He commands to do or not do.


65 posted on 08/25/2013 12:34:29 PM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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Very true.


66 posted on 08/25/2013 1:15:42 PM PDT by soycd
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