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Small Businesses Can't Avoid ObamaCare by Switching to Part-Time Workers
breitbart.com ^ | 8/5/13 | Dr. Susan Berry

Posted on 08/05/2013 2:16:45 PM PDT by ColdOne

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To: Cyber Liberty

. Move them to “salaried” positions, then work the carp out of them. This is what will happen next. It’s been going on for decades, ever since “exempt” and “non-exempt” entered the corporate personnel lexicon.””

Again- there are standards in almost all states regarding whether a person is a wage-earning person- a person on salary & exempt from overtime pay, or a person who is on salary & MUST be paid overtime.

One of the main rules is that you have to be Supervising 2 or more employees under your direction.

I won a major amount of back overtime pay on that rule alone. I was only supervising ONE person.


41 posted on 08/05/2013 3:29:05 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: DonaldC

once your company’s use to using contractors, the next step is allowing them to work offsite... then outsourcing offshore is viable

just another cog in the machine that is gutting America


42 posted on 08/05/2013 3:30:18 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: massgopguy

You can’t get away with that unless the subs can show:

A. They do not report to the same place every day for work.

B. Take don’t directions directly from the company.

C. Have other clients.

If the workers show up at the “client’s” facility every day, have no place to work other than that provided by the “client,” take direction only from the “client,” and they have no other “clients” they’re billing, then there just employees and the IRS frowns on that.


43 posted on 08/05/2013 3:31:31 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: ColdOne

Contract with an industrial automation consultant, and fire half you employees, but you better do it before the make the “no firing for any reason” law.


44 posted on 08/05/2013 3:33:55 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: ridesthemiles

Those are distinctions that are blurred when you work with scientists. There aren’t any rules there. The engineer rules don’t apply. It’s “what the f’ ever!”


45 posted on 08/05/2013 3:45:05 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Justice for Trayvon: Dig up his body and shoot him again.)
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To: Red Badger

Hiring contractors is impossible in many industries. The IRS simply disallows it. Period, prepare your audit papers.


46 posted on 08/05/2013 3:47:13 PM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with brute force, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
Declare yourself a member of congress.

Or a scuzzlim. Scuzzlims don't have to pay the jizya.

47 posted on 08/05/2013 3:48:20 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: CitizenUSA
"I hope it’s a revolution at the ballot box. We should remember that we still have the ability to vote the bastards out. The same thing goes for writing legislation."

That ship sailed about 15-20 years ago. We'll never have another honest election again. The ballot box has been corrupted, as has the jury box. The ballot box is good only for preaching to the choir. What does that leave (hint: it's another box)?

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

48 posted on 08/05/2013 3:54:17 PM PDT by wku man (Amnesty? No Way, Jose (No Se Puede!) by 10 Pound Test http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsTUQ8yOI2c)
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To: wku man
2nd ballot box should have read "soapbox".

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

49 posted on 08/05/2013 3:56:49 PM PDT by wku man (Amnesty? No Way, Jose (No Se Puede!) by 10 Pound Test http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsTUQ8yOI2c)
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To: ColdOne

Just “promote” 3 people to “Assistant Managers”, make sure your Extortion Payments to the Democrat Party are paid up, and your problem is solved!

See how easy it is to do business under Democrat Fascism?


50 posted on 08/05/2013 4:08:57 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: ridesthemiles

Those rules sound similar to the ones I had to work with here — but, also different, as expected. There will be some very lucrative consulting opportunities, for experts helping small businesses navigate the Unaffordable Care Act (UCA) rules.

“YOU have to have more than ‘2 employers’. therwise—all you have is a ‘2nd job’.”

That’s why I think that it would be better for all the laid-off employees of (say) the accounting section to form their own firm (partnership, or whatever). Perhaps including former employees of another business or two — so long as the new company remains under 50 employees. That would make it easier for the new service company to have several clients.

The alternative, for anyone wishing more independence, would be to do all the things you mention.

The alternative, for the small business trying to downsize by outsourcing, would be to simply take competitive bids, from all interested service companies. There are advantages to that approach too — but, there are big advantages of sticking with people, who already know how you like to have things done.

I can see virtually all “back-office” jobs migrating to contractors, due to the UCA rules. Also, I expect that office-temp companies will be seeing some boom years ahead — unless the UCA also captures temp workers from 3rd party agencies.


51 posted on 08/05/2013 4:22:55 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: ColdOne

Hire illegal aliens.


52 posted on 08/05/2013 4:25:42 PM PDT by gitmo ( If your theology doesn't become your biography it's useless.)
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To: ColdOne

Are foreign companies doing work in The States required to do ObamaCare?


53 posted on 08/05/2013 4:39:41 PM PDT by gitmo ( If your theology doesn't become your biography it's useless.)
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To: tcrlaf

You must live in Chicago like me! You’ve got it pretty much summarized.


54 posted on 08/05/2013 4:49:10 PM PDT by esoxmagnum (The rats have been trained to pull the D voting lever to get their little food pellet)
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55 posted on 08/05/2013 5:15:59 PM PDT by RedMDer (http://www.dontfundobamacare.com/)
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To: Jonty30

In a way, it might be better for all workers to go and get their business license and work as contractors. Then they will have to pay all their own taxes and not go through life relying on employers taking care of their needs.

Might improve their voting patterns when it becomes more obvious what all their taxes are. Probably should be a class in high school, how to fully license yourself to go to
work.


56 posted on 08/05/2013 5:37:11 PM PDT by angry elephant (Endangered species in Seattle)
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To: hal ogen

I don’t know if you realize it, but your suggestion is one that I’ve heard from several small businesses where the owner is old enough to retire. Others are choosing to retire and splitting up the business among several heirs into smaller businesses.


57 posted on 08/05/2013 6:02:58 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (The only growth industries left under Progressives are government and poverty.)
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To: All

Has anyone heard what the big companies are telling employees?


58 posted on 08/05/2013 6:06:18 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (If you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil!)
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To: ridesthemiles

I was unaware of all these rules when I was an employee of a real slave-driver small business owner back in the 1980s. I was working increasingly more hours a week, ending up around 80 hours per week, and the owner told me repeatedly that he was real sorry but his accountant advised him that it would be illegal for him to pay me overtime, since I was on salary (not particularly high). I never supervised anyone, and finally just quit to start my own company, figuring that if I was going to work 80 hours a week it would be for myself. He basically lied to everyone about everything, including pension plans and insurance, and actively discouraged employees from ever contacting his professional advisors.


59 posted on 08/05/2013 6:12:35 PM PDT by wildandcrazyrussian
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To: esoxmagnum

Near Chicagoland, but not in Chicago.


60 posted on 08/05/2013 8:41:42 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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