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Here's What Happens If You Don't Sign Up For Obamacare (Sorting out the confusion)
Business Insider ^ | 07/02/2013 | MANDI WOODRUFF

Posted on 07/02/2013 8:11:52 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: Perdogg
In fact the laws states that the IRS can neither garnish your wages nor put a lien on you.

The Constitution states that the Executive Branch is supposed to enforce laws dutifully enacted by Congress - exactly how did that work for immigration? DOMA? International weapons sales? Oh, and the law states that it is a "fine" too, so how did that work out at SCOTUS?

Understand that no matter HOW this law is written, the law will be used like a gigantic, heavy-handed BULL WHIP across the backs of every American - words, meanings or intentions be DAMNED!
41 posted on 07/02/2013 8:54:40 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: ExTxMarine
Use their tactics against them.


42 posted on 07/02/2013 9:02:20 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Buckeye McFrog; SeekAndFind; Perdogg

Seems to me an easy buck (or two) for both ‘ObamaCare for Dummies’ and ‘Avoid ObamaCare for Dummies’ instruction manuals.


43 posted on 07/02/2013 9:08:34 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Perdogg; SeekAndFind; steve86
The IRS cannot write penalties only Congress can do that.

Legally, yes, at least for $$ penalties. But the IRS can write regulations that are so onerous as to amount to penalties. And it has infinite resources to harass and intimidate the average citizen. A bureaucrat at the IRS wants to destroy you, he will.

but the IRS doesn’t have the authority to re-write the law.

Legally no.

But it can and does write "regulations" that effectively do the same thing.

The House has voted to repal the law

So what? Symbolic. Without the Commie Senate, means nothing.
My wife said that if a hot 30 yo walked up to me out of the blue and begged me to have sex with her, I had permission. We both know that ain't gonna happen.

44 posted on 07/02/2013 9:09:34 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: SeekAndFind

[[Another 10% say they flat out won’t buy in at all.]]

Many peopel say lots of things, but compyl when hte hammer is lowered on them


45 posted on 07/02/2013 9:11:17 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

[[so if someone doesn’t receive a refund, then IRS can’t do anything?]]

They can putl iens on your house, freeze your bank accounts perhaps- and opossibly other htings that WILL sowehow get them oney from you


46 posted on 07/02/2013 9:13:15 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop
Many peopel say lots of things, but compyl when hte hammer is lowered on them

Yes, and not many people are willing to boycott healthcare. That's the real problem. Most people I know grumble about insurance, but they continue to have insurance because they aren't prepared to quit getting healthcare.

47 posted on 07/02/2013 9:15:18 AM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Won’t the IRS garnish your wages?

First, you have to be working and have a job before they can garnish your wages!


48 posted on 07/02/2013 9:15:27 AM PDT by wetgundog (" Extremism in the Defense of Liberty is no Vice")
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Adjust your W4 accordingly and you’ll never pay the fine.

One of the most useful pieces of advice my father gave me was to adjust your W4 so you break even, or owe them a little money. Why would you want to give the government an interest free loan for a whole year?

I was only able to pull it off for a little while. Early on I made too little, and kept getting money back. Then a few years back Mrs. MAExile started an on-line business, and my days of breaking even were over for good.

49 posted on 07/02/2013 9:21:54 AM PDT by MAexile (Bats left, votes right)
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To: Sooth2222

IMHO, Obamacare is a giant giveaway to the insurance industry.

Who else benefits?


50 posted on 07/02/2013 9:31:46 AM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely expressed as advice)
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To: SeekAndFind

If I read it correctly, I will either live in a state that gives a subsidy, or else pay 42% of my income for it, tax breaks don’t apply to me.


51 posted on 07/02/2013 9:46:20 AM PDT by ansel12 (Sodom and Gomorrah, flush with libertarians and liberals, short on social conservatives.)
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To: Perdogg

re: “The ACA bars the IRS from bringing a criminal enforcement case against someone who refuses to pay the non-insurance penalty.”

Then what’s with the request by the IRS to hire 16,500 new IRS personnel to help enforce Obamacare?

This is from Investors Business Daily - “The embattled agency is asking Congress for additional funding to hire as many as 16,500 more agents, auditors and other workers to enforce and implement ObamaCare. Over the next decade, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office figures the IRS could need up to $10 billion to do the job.”

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/060313-658637-congress-must-impose-hiring-freeze-at-irs.htm?p=full

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Also, FactCheck.Org (a site I hate because they are leftwing), cites the very issue you claim. They agree with what you say about the IRS not being permitted to issue liens against or bringing a “criminal” complaint against those who refuse to pay the penalty, but - FactCheck does say:

“The law specifically states on page 151 that the government cannot “file notice of lien with respect to any property of a taxpayer by reason of any failure to pay the penalty imposed by this section, or … levy on any such property with respect to such failure. - But as we noted, the law leaves room for the IRS to issue penalties and to sue to recover the unpaid tax, just as it does now for overdue taxes.

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/11/groups-obamacare-tax-form-evades-facts/


52 posted on 07/02/2013 9:50:01 AM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: SeekAndFind

Gee, the way they describe it, you’d think this law could be written as a 12-page document.


53 posted on 07/02/2013 9:52:15 AM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t do anything I’m told to do at the point of a gun. 0butthole may have changed national policy but I still don’t negotiate with terrorists.


54 posted on 07/02/2013 9:54:50 AM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: SeekAndFind

When Welfare Hoochy Momma has to pay for health insurance, a great cry will arise from the cities and trailer parks.


55 posted on 07/02/2013 9:56:24 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: DooDahhhh

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Accidentally check the box that says black muslim for complete protection.


56 posted on 07/02/2013 10:00:46 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: SeekAndFind
How about those of us that have a pace maker or kidney failure? requiring Dialysis Who is going to insure us and at what cost?
57 posted on 07/02/2013 10:08:25 AM PDT by geologist ("If you love me, keep my commands" .... John 14 :15)
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To: geologist

I don’t think you can be denied insurance after 2014 unless you are a TEA party member.

http://kff.org/interactive/subsidy-calculator/


58 posted on 07/02/2013 10:12:38 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: SeekAndFind

How about those of us that have a pace maker or kidney failure? requiring Dyalisis Who is going to insure us and at what cost?

OOPPPSS and cataract surgery?


59 posted on 07/02/2013 10:40:03 AM PDT by geologist ("If you love me, keep my commands" .... John 14 :15)
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To: SeekAndFind

ping for later read


60 posted on 07/02/2013 11:10:39 AM PDT by Verbosus (/* No Comment */)
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