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Why the Reagan Democrats Departed
Townhall.com ^ | July 2, 2013 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 07/02/2013 4:02:21 AM PDT by Bratch

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1 posted on 07/02/2013 4:02:21 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: Bratch

I don’t always agree with Buchanan but I think it has this pretty much spot-on.


2 posted on 07/02/2013 4:11:22 AM PDT by Abby4116
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To: Bratch

exactly right but wrong wrong wrong for America and the world. What corporations are missing is that they are killing off their customer base for the future. you cannot make everyone poor and expect to have sales. I know of highly skilled technical folks from india who make 50k less than their American counterparts while working here. the problem is they and their families must live the life of nomads since they are contract workers, they may or may not get benefits, they cant really afford much for housing, and their kids are using the school systems. how does that fare for America overall? so much for the American dream for anyone - domestic or imported. greed and covetousness is driving this immigration train but not wisdom! oh for a revolution and some true political leadership that can survive the assault of the socialists and media.


3 posted on 07/02/2013 4:17:38 AM PDT by applpie
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To: Bratch

The answer in one word: Taxes. Always follow the money.


4 posted on 07/02/2013 4:30:14 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Bratch
sounds about right..

5 posted on 07/02/2013 4:30:42 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :)
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To: Bratch
We could still fix it by giving our nation back its FREEDOM.

Limited taxes and regulation (especially the global-warming myth rules) would place America back on the top of the heap in but a few short years.

We might also wish to revoke the licenses of about 75-90% of all lawyers just to ensure success.

6 posted on 07/02/2013 4:44:16 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (We say "low-information" but we mean "low-intelligence")
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To: Bratch
"Why the Reagan Democrats Departed"

Excuse me,...Does PB realize that most of them have DIED?

7 posted on 07/02/2013 4:44:52 AM PDT by LZ_Bayonet ( I AM THE TEA PARTY LEADER !)
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Most Reagan Democrats couldn’t see how “Republicanism”, which was also compromised with the left, made any difference in their lives and were never comfortable with the country club types in charge. So they saw Clinton as a way to redeem themselves. But you are right, many have since departed.


8 posted on 07/02/2013 4:51:15 AM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: Bratch; stephenjohnbanker; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; Impy; NFHale; BillyBoy; ...
RE :”And today? “No longer committed to a particular place, people, country or culture, our largest public companies have turned globalist, while abdicating the responsibility they once assumed to America and its workers.”
Citing Joel Kotkin’s work, Patterson adds, “the worst offenders are Apple, Facebook, Google, the high-tech firms secluded in Silicon Valley, a dreamland where the information age glitterati make Gilded Age plutocrats look bourgeois. Google has five times GM’s market capitalization but employs only one-fourth the number of GM’s American workers. Steve Jobs’ Apple has “700,000 industrial serfs” working overseas. “

While much in the article is valid the above is not a great example. Blue collar workers didn't work those jobs under Reagan as they didnt exist.

There was no internet under Reagan, and of course internet related jobs allow companies to go find the best deal on labor. That is no surprise. One 'internet job' or career that is high demand here (cant out-source) unfilled is Informance Assurance/cyber security but it takes some techical education.

Where I live nearly all the grocery stores have automatic checkout machines, Walmarts doesnt due to high theft as they attract those types. Machines are replacing humans and in response those people vote Democrat.

So lets legalize and hire some illegals.

9 posted on 07/02/2013 4:55:46 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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In the GOP the corporate conservative rides up front; the social, cultural and patriotic conservatives in the back of the bus.

Consider who has benefited most from Republican-backed globalization.


Consider who has benefited most from Republican-backed globalization? "Republican-backed?"

Please, do not get me wrong, but here is where me and ole Pat usually part ways - he typically points the finger at the GOP as the source of all American evils, and refuses to address the fact that the Democrats are JUST AS GUILTY of supporting globalization!

It really pisses me off, because Pat refuses to admit that most Corporations donate MORE to Dems than the GOP! It really pisses me off, because Pat refuses to admit that the GOP supports America and Americans and want people and Corporations to be Patriotic to America! All the while, the Democrats and liberals SCREAM that America should do more to help develop other countries and share our wealth, etc... Then Pat comes in here and screams at the GOP for doing the same dang thing that the Dems do every freaking day!

Don't get me wrong, I agree that the actions by both the GOP and Democrats is causing a great divide, but don't act like the Reagan-Democrats left because they went back to some great, safe, all-loving plantation ran by the Democrats!

The Reagan-Democrats left because we have not had a CONSERVATIVE candidate who could speak with the straight-forward, honest word that made Reagan loved by MOST Americans. PERIOD! Pat's strawman sounds good and is DEFINITELY a problem, but these people didn't leave because the GOP started does anything different than the Democrats - they left because liberals will take a REAL liberal (Obama) over a wanna-be liberal (McCain/Romney) every single time!
10 posted on 07/02/2013 5:09:39 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: Bratch
Look I hate unions as much as the next guy but:

What Pat failed to say the the lion's share of manufacturing is/was non union. So the factories that went to the 3rd world were staffed in the USA by non union workers almost 90% of the time. Said another way, the ones that lost their jobs in the USA were mostly non union, so unions do not cause off shoring.

11 posted on 07/02/2013 5:11:03 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: sickoflibs; SpinnerWebb
There was no internet under Reagan

Ding, ding, ding ... we have a winner.

Back in the early 90's I heard Bill Joy address a conference room full of Big Oil rersearch scientists where he spoke of the coming tsunami of change. He told the group that in a short while employers were going to be faced with choices like:

do I hire the top of the class Stanford Phd chemist for $60K per year or the Russian Nobel laureate ofr $25K per year

These kind of choices have now bubbled up throughout the entire global economy .... because of technology that didn't exist during the Reagan years. Oh, and we won't be going back to making buggy whips any time soon.

12 posted on 07/02/2013 5:14:56 AM PDT by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: Abby4116

I agree.


13 posted on 07/02/2013 5:20:16 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: LZ_Bayonet
Excuse me,...Does PB realize that most of them have DIED?

I don't think the 'Reagan Democrats" were/are a limited number of specific individuals, but a changing group of people with similar social and economic circumstances and interests.

Most of the Reagan Democrats have no more died than have most of the open borders advocates, or the Wall Street bankers, or loyal black Democrat voters, or the conservative rural American voter, etc., etc.

The 'Reagan Democrats' are still there in large numbers, both the older and younger members of the group.

14 posted on 07/02/2013 5:28:25 AM PDT by Will88
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To: Abby4116

A lucid article by Pat Buchanan. He must be back on his meds.


15 posted on 07/02/2013 5:29:02 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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RE :”Oh, and we won't be going back to making buggy whips any time soon.

Trump claimed he could get us back there though.

At the risk of heresy last year when Romney was preaching the standard 'GOP tax cuts cure all ills' (+less regulation) I was reminded of how Jack Kempt about 20 years earlier (1993 is when I first heard him) used to preach that capital gains tax cuts will cure all economic ills.

Just cut them in the poor high crime area (East Baltimore) and it will become another Hong Kong.

The problem is if Romney gets a low capital gains tax rate for investing in a factory in China then .....??? We interview in China?

16 posted on 07/02/2013 5:40:16 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: ExTxMarine
It really pisses me off, because Pat refuses to admit that most Corporations donate MORE to Dems than the GOP! It really pisses me off, because Pat refuses to admit that the GOP supports America and Americans and want people and Corporations to be Patriotic to America! All the while, the Democrats and liberals SCREAM that America should do more to help develop other countries and share our wealth, etc... Then Pat comes in here and screams at the GOP for doing the same dang thing that the Dems do every freaking day!
The difference is, IMO, that the Corporations call the shots for the GOP.

The reason they throw so much money at the Democrats is because the Democrats have been winning lately. Unless they pony up, they have no influence in key legislature. But the Democrat agenda is driven by philosophy for the most part. The people in power are true believers

Republicans, OTOH, have no agenda, per say. They simply dance to the tune of their corporate sugar daddies.

17 posted on 07/02/2013 5:41:43 AM PDT by Bratch
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We we stop going after the ‘dependent’ vote we can get the Reagan vote back...


18 posted on 07/02/2013 6:42:27 AM PDT by GOPJ (... liberal anger - - the privileged wheeze of entitled brats ... Greenfield)
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... now on foreigners for the clothes and shoes we wear, the TV sets we watch, the radios we listen to, the computers we use, the cars we drive.

That's always been true for *transistor* radios and computers. Most consumer electronics have been made in Asia since the 50s.

19 posted on 07/02/2013 6:44:06 AM PDT by Spirochete (Does the FedGov have the attributes of a legitimate government?)
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RE :”We we stop going after the ‘dependent’ vote we can get the Reagan vote back...”

The point of the article is that the Reagan Dem vote IS the dependent vote now because of the global economy and other related stuff.

Was Romney going after the dependent vote?? If so his 47% comment was one hell-of-way to try to get it.

20 posted on 07/02/2013 6:47:03 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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