Explaining the Global Warming Hiatus: Grappling with climate-change nuance in a toxic political...

The New Republic ^ | June 18, 2013 | NATE COHN

[PATRIOT1876]

* What kind of sick, twisted people-hating freak would NOT see the absence of warming as good news. It's like they WANTED something bad to happen and are disappointed that it didn't. *

They are VERY disappointed to find out that it's not real (finally). Von Storch said in an article that was on FR yesterday that is is “unpleasant” that their catastrophic predictions have turned out to be untrue.

[SC_Pete]

Ignorance is no defense.

[SC_Pete]

Ignorance is no defense.

[Ultra Sonic 007]

If all the ice on, say, Antarctica melted, the sea level would rise by approximately 66 meters.

Of course, such an occurrence would have to be incremental (via natural disasters) or sudden (through an apocalyptic cataclysm).

[PATRIOT1876]

*o, all the agonized running-around of scientists on “climate” grants wouldn't be necessary if they weren't desperately trying to salvage a “warming” hypothesis when there is no warming.*

“It's VERRRRY hot!” *chuckles* “millions of degrees”...

[Raycpa]

and there are climate models showing “a hiatus as long as 15 years.

But we never bothered mentioning this before, never considered it in ranges of projections and certainly never constructed our models to deal with it.

If the atmosphere is warming more slowly than projected, where did the heat go?

Of course the theory says the greenhouse effect will absolutely, positively, no exceptions, no questions, NOT go anywhere but heat up our atmosphere.

or there might be less heat in the climate system than scientists predicted.Now you sound like a denier.

The most obvious culprit is the ocean,

But the theory says there were no variables that would effect the outcome. Not the sun variations, not the oceans, not the vegetation. Now we hear that the sneaky ocean is culprit in spoiling all the climate folks fun.

But other scientists think that the heat is missing because it never made into Earth's climate system.

Wait..a...minute. Who are these other scientists in a science that is fully settled?

The sun itself is a major factor in forcing

Ouch, I got whiplash. The sun? That's impossible.

[USFRIENDINVICTORIA]

"In the current political climate, debates about things like climate change are carried out in broad-brush assertions. The challenge for scientists is that the more they understand the climate system, the more complex it gets, and the harder it gets to model with precision—not to mention making the kinds of sweeping statements the news cycle requires."

This is rich! How many times have we been told: "the debate is over"? The alarmists have made innumerable "sweeping statements", and professed to know, with certainty, how the climate would change (it's always changing, that's never been disputed). Now, they want "nuances"!

BTW, now (after 15 years of zero change), we're told that the models weren't designed to account for fluctuations, and the averages are what's important. Yet, every time in the past couple of decades, when a new peak temperature was recorded, we were told to panic.

If these "climate scientists" had acted like scientists, rather than side-show barkers, over the past decades, they might have earned our confidence. Real scientists never say: "the science is settled", or "the debate is over". Never.

[USFRIENDINVICTORIA]

“The greenhouse effect is truly undeniable—just consider Venus, where 96.5 percent of the atmosphere is composed of carbon dioxide, and the average surface temperature is more than 860 degrees Fahrenheit.”

Gee, could the fact that Venus is about 40% closer to the Sun have anything at all to do with that temperature?

[Steve_Seattle]

One thing I NEVER hear global-warming fear-mongers discuss is what if the world were cooling and was predicted to cool even more - would that be better?

[Raycpa]

The bible is relevant

2 Peter 2

False Prophets and Their Punishment

2 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive opinions. They will even deny the Master who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Even so, many will follow their licentious ways, and because of these teachers[a] the way of truth will be maligned. 3 And in their greed they will exploit you with deceptive words. Their condemnation, pronounced against them long ago, has not been idle, and their destruction is not asleep.

Deuteronomy 18:22

New International Version (NIV)

22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed.

[Carry_Okie]

Using a model that projects ocean temperatures back to 1961, its trio of authors found that the surge in deep ocean heat intake over the last decade was indeed historic.

You just can't make this stuff up, but they sure can!

[zeestephen]

From Seattle.....

First day of summer.

12 Noon.

Just flipped the heat on to take the chill off the apartment.

60 degrees outside.

By the way.....

I love how “Alarmists” claim we “cherry picked” the data.

No matter what year you start from, there’s been a plateau in warming for the LAST 15 freaking years!

I don’t recall anyone predicting that would happen in 1998.