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High Stakes in Looming Detroit Legal Battle
The American Interest ^ | Walter Russell Mead | Walter Russell Mead

Posted on 06/17/2013 2:38:22 PM PDT by JerseyanExile

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1 posted on 06/17/2013 2:38:22 PM PDT by JerseyanExile
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Screw the union $h!tbags. Their greed and corruption was a large part of this as well as their intimate ties to the National Socialist Democrat Party. You all killed the golden goose and now you get to eat crow.


2 posted on 06/17/2013 2:48:14 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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“Every public sector union in the country would then be on notice that underfunded pension programs will ultimately be welshed on by cities and states.”

Let the welshing BEGIN!!


3 posted on 06/17/2013 2:49:22 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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The unions would likely argue that the 10th Amendment “trumps the notion that federal law is supreme.”

Gee, they didn't behave like that for Scott Walker 2 years ago now did they?

4 posted on 06/17/2013 2:52:22 PM PDT by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: JerseyanExile

The union pensions and contracts are just torts, like any other.


5 posted on 06/17/2013 2:54:13 PM PDT by NVDave
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The folks in charge of Detroit gave the folks NOT in charge exactly what they asked for, a free lunch. Since there IS no such thing, it’s time to pay the piper. Ooops, no money. My heart bleeds for them....NOT.


6 posted on 06/17/2013 2:54:13 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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I'm not sure where they are going with this bankruptcy. Long term outstanding debt is about $17 Billion, not including pension liabilities.

Assets could range over $50 Billion if you count the DIA's collection, Belle Isle, and the water department. Looks like the real estate and the paintings should cover things.

7 posted on 06/17/2013 2:56:02 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (The IRS--a softer Gestapo)
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Go here folks...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3031962/posts?page=15#15

8 posted on 06/17/2013 2:57:29 PM PDT by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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Compared to what will happen in other large cities, this looks pretty good from a conservative point of view.

I guarantee we’ll end up paying out hundreds of billions in bailouts when cities like Chicago are forced to quit digging.


9 posted on 06/17/2013 2:59:04 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: JerseyanExile
This article didn't mention...

They are gonna loose their Retiree-Health-Care, and get shuffled to Obamacare and Medicare, no ifs ands or buts per Mr. Orr.....

How is that hopey changey workin' for ya..

10 posted on 06/17/2013 2:59:31 PM PDT by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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The unions making a 10th Amendment argument. Talk about irony...


11 posted on 06/17/2013 3:01:13 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
I repsectfully disagree.

Total debt is about 19 billion with the majority being the Pension Liabilities. Orr does not want to sell the "Assets" you mentioned to leave something for civic pride and some cornerstones to rebuild the city on.

Belle Isle will probably get some sort of a State deal being floated, with the H20 Dept going regional with new management already cleaning up that cesspool.

The DIA, that it up in the air, again Orr doesn't want the city pillaged like something out of warn torn Europe, I give him kudos for the Optomistic attitude.

12 posted on 06/17/2013 3:03:48 PM PDT by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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The unions would likely argue that the 10th Amendment “trumps the notion that federal law is supreme.”

That would be interesting to witness: a democrat front arguing for strengthened states' rights. Wow!

13 posted on 06/17/2013 3:14:47 PM PDT by RobertClark (My shrink just killed himself - he blamed me in his note!)
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"Civic Pride"? Most Detroiters couldn't spell that phrase let alone define it. I don't think there has been much "civic pride" in Detroit since 1960.

I forgot that since the Chrysler and GM bond debacles contract law in the US is more like a spoils system. I would not be a happy bondholder getting 10 cents on the dollar while the DIA is sitting on paintings that could be liquidated so I can get paid.

This will be an interesting bankruptcy.

14 posted on 06/17/2013 3:15:06 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (The IRS--a softer Gestapo)
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Orr is looking to the future and the need for things like art as business is returning to the city. I do think the state should take over stewardship of things like Belle Isle till the corrupt are driven from power. (Belle Isle is a big money maker)

There is big time private money moving into Detroit and pledging to move into Detroit once things settle. The new bridge alone will bring in a lot of warehousing and freight related jobs.


15 posted on 06/17/2013 3:16:57 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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If I was a creditor I would demand that the art be sold to pay the debts of Detroit. On what basis do you assert that there is big time money moving into Detroit once things settle out? When things settle out the vast majority of Detroit citizens will be black with the majority of them on welfare, disability or living off a government job. If I were big money I would stay away.


16 posted on 06/17/2013 3:40:49 PM PDT by rcofdayton (.)
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If I was a creditor I would demand that the art be sold to pay the debts of Detroit.

If you were a creditor you would be a moron for loaning money to them knowing they couldn't pay it back. These creditors just figured uncle sugar would eventually pick up the tab.

Detroit is one city the taxpayers nationwide won't be forced to pay for.
17 posted on 06/17/2013 3:46:41 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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underfunded pension programs will ultimately be welshed on by cities and states

That's racist!

18 posted on 06/17/2013 4:05:19 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks JerseyanExile.


19 posted on 06/17/2013 5:21:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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Looks like things are fixing to get interesting in Detroit.

Detroit emergency manager orders probe of city’s pension fund

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130620/METRO01/306200080


20 posted on 06/20/2013 8:28:18 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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