Posted on 06/14/2013 4:19:50 AM PDT by Kaslin
I’ll take the word of the author of the patriot act over your apologist arse any day
The man is doing CYA and reeled you in hook, line and sinker.
Don’t count on it.
You are a jackass.
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Jackass you be.
Just spent a good part of an hour tracking down several threads where one of your friends ~ certainly not one of mine ~ called down the mods on me when all that had gone on was I posted a response followed by '(/s)' ~ which is totally wierd.
Otherwise your stuff is pretty much the same as mine except you sometimes read the 4th and ignore 'unreasonable' ~ an easy error ~ kind of like that guy Bush appointed to the Supreme Court telling us the 'takings' clause in the 5th didn't apply where the gub'mnt was taking property from a poor man to hand over to a rich man.
So there can be differences of opinion on this stuff, but there are too many instances where someone calls in the mods.
So, should you check threads to see if i've already posted and just not comment, or the other way around?
In short, what do these people want? ~ BTW, no cussing. If I don't get to do it, neither should others unless they can prove a medical need.
Assange seems to be taking credit for paying his way.
My money is on NIxon (take that as a metaphor) ~ which is probably why NOBODY at the top is taking up Snowden's flag ~ they know people who were burned standing up for Alger Hiss!
May not have made that clear earlier ~ but no sense in not bringing this thread up to date. Amazing what a difference a week or so makes in this kind of 'chase that SUV' event.
In case you missed it, Congresscritter Jerry Nadler was all for Snoweden, then was against him. He's one of those lefties with a 100% ADA rating. Which means............ he dunno? proly
Second, the sources are immaterial to the fact that the NSA is collecting massive amounts of data on Americans, after lying that they were not. Third, it is clear they do not have anything resembling due process as to how that data is used. Fourth, Obama is lying through his teeth about how transparent the process is. And fifth, you are still defending the NSA getting this data, so you are as big a skunk as the rest of them.
What part of the meat of the fourth do you not understand?
...and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
The government is waaaay out of bounds here.
The Obama administration leaks classified information continuously. They do it to glorify the President, or manipulate public opinion, or even to help produce a pre-election propaganda film about the Osama bin Laden raid. The Obama administration does not hate unauthorized leaks of classified information. They are more responsible for such leaks than anyone. What they hate are leaks that embarrass them or expose their wrongdoing. Those are the only kinds of leaks that are prosecuted. The "enemy" they're seeking to keep ignorant with selective and excessive leak prosecutions are not The Terrorists or The Chinese Communists. It's the American people.
The Terrorists already knew, and have long known, that the US government is doing everything possible to surveil their telephonic and internet communications. The Chinese have long known, and have repeatedly said, that the US is hacking into both their governmental and civilian systems (just as the Chinese are doing to the US). The Russians have long known that the US and UK try to intercept the conversations of their leaders just as the Russians do to the US and the UK.
They haven't learned anything from these disclosures that they didn't already well know. The people who have learned things they didn't already know are American citizens who have no connection to terrorism or foreign intelligence, as well as hundreds of millions of citizens around the world about whom the same is true. What they have learned is that the vast bulk of this surveillance apparatus is directed not at the Chinese or Russian governments or the Terrorists, but at them.
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You have YET to condemn the NSA gathering all this data on Americans. You have instead parroted the Beltway establishment's attacks on the person who revealed that unconstitutional, illegal and unethical gathering. Which means you are part of the problem, not part of salvaging the 4th Amendment.
You must have forgotten that 'STARVE THE BEAST' has as much to do with refusing to demand big corporation/big gub'mnt intrusiveness as it does FIXING the tax system so the money just isn't there for them to waste.
I like to go all the way back to initial causes, and it does me no good to cut off NSA if I leave the Chicoms in place to acquire exactly the same information from all the Telco in the country, surreptitiously or otherwise.
So, why don't you demand we fix the tax system and utility operations? Do you want the Chicoms to continue to be able to access that information? Or don't you want to eliminate the source?,P>I don't think you are conservative enough.
That's when a warrant is required!
That applies even if you are not at home locked up in your castle keep. You can be out walking down the road with a backpack and the cops simply can't stop you and look into that pack without a reason. That is an unreasonable search.
In my lifetime we've seen days when you were walking down the street and cops could stop you and do more than frisk you ~ and the courts did nothing.
The courts ~ THE FEDERAL COURTS ~ BIG GUB'MNT COURTS ~ changed that ~ I think roughly when I was entering highschool.
All of the cases involving just hanging around (Loitering) involved the decision of REASONABLE vs. UNREASONABLE ~ Warrent issues followed in due course.
Sorry I can't change my own life's history so that I can forget when the cops didn't have to get a warrent to search your backpack.
Now if you want to discuss this on strictly theoretical grounds and ignore the period from roughly 1860 to 1960, fine ~ but that's not where we are coming from.
You still refuse to blame the fedgov for gathering this information in violation of the 4th Amendment - to the contrary, you present a bastardized interpretation of such. You are a pimp for the usurpers. I don’t debate with anyone so debased. Later.
If you don't cut off the creation of the data and its implicit information, you are just going to tempt all the bad guys and they'll get it anyway.
It could be you are not getting the point ~ that if we have a set of laws that require phone companies, et al, to establish data files, and subsequently data bases, that have this information in them, then the gub'mnt is, in fact, the cause of the problem. Eliminate the data file requirements ~ prohibit data of that type from even being generated ~ and you don't need to worry about NSA or anyone else.
There are other ways to generate billings!
Dirtboy, when I tell you what it is, I am not debating you.
You don't just like the jackboot, you hump it.
And you fail to realize that as long as the data is scattered across hundreds of different corporate databases it is not dangerous to liberty. It is when it gets amalgamated and accessible, with low standards for acessibility, that it becomes dangerous. And you have blamed everyone but the parties driving that amalgamation.
Sorry, pal. They do not have probable cause. You do understand that the courts cannot alter the constitution? Right? The founders rebelled against this kind of tyranny. FR is here to defend the constitution and fight against this crap. Reminder: Defending big government fascism will endanger your posting privileges.
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