HISTORY OF THE 16TH AMENDMENT

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[donmeaker]

Or they could just borrow the money, and leave it to future generations to figure out the tax issue, rather like today.

[Stepan12]

So now the conspiracy is all the members of congress and all the members of the judciary, as well as all the members of the IRS.

The mission of the IRS is to get people to voluntarily comply with their request; however, they seize property, throw innocent people in jail -- all illegal. They get that power from somewhere and it ain't the tooth fairy. Also, the reason they framed Judge Clairborne of Nevada for income tax evasion was because he was the only federal judge that did not let the IRS get away with murder in his courtroom.

And as for people being stupid, Barack Hussein Obama was elected twice and people refuse to believe the income tax is voluntary even though the government keeps saying it is. Yup! There are plenty of people in this country and they're certainly not geniuses.

[donmeaker]

At least you don’t have any ‘fring on the flag means it is an admiralty court’ arguments.

So, all the judges in the country, and only one ‘really knows the law’ Is that your argument?

[Stepan12]

First, you say I’m calling all judges in a crooked conspiracy; now you say I am calling all judges — except one — stupid. Can’t you make up your mind?

[lewislynn]

I also remind the reader that governments tax that which they want LESS OF. Are we sure we want LESS wealth creation? A tax -- if a tax there must be -- is fairest when imposed on CONSUMPTION. The FAIR TAX is ready to roll out now!

So the underlying goal of the Fairtax is less consumption...

[Dick Bachert]

Nooo. The goal of a tax on CONSUMPTION is to HALT the MARXIST TAX ON INCOMES and the elimination of an abusive and arrogant collection agency, the IRS and, with some luck and a more engaged citizenry, to provide a way station on the road back to a system of taxation of the sort the Founders hoped we would preserve.

[lewislynn]

I'm only going by what you said:

"I also remind the reader that governments tax that which they want LESS OF"

The Fairtax claims it would be a federal "government" consumption tax...right?

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In April 1909, Senator Joseph W. Bailey, a conservative Democrat from Texas who was also opposed to income taxes, decided to further embarrass the Republicans by forcing them to openly oppose an income tax bill similar to those which had been introduced in the past.

You read that a lot on the Internet, but I don't know how true it is. Bailey may have assumed the bill would fail and may have wanted to embarrass the Republicans, but I don't see that he was actually opposed to income taxes.

A century ago you could be a "Jeffersonian" or conservative Democrat from Texas and still favor an income tax on rich Easterners (or Northerners) -- all the more so if it meant lower tariffs and freer trade. And of course, nobody back home would ever make enough money to have to pay income taxes ...

Bailey was a paradoxical figure in other ways. He favored "free silver" in his early years but strongly opposed William Jennings Bryan, the great spokesman for the silver cause. Bailey got a name in his later days as a great opponent of the KKK, though he hadn't been afraid of playing the race card earlier.