Posted on 05/25/2013 7:55:06 AM PDT by Kaslin
The rich can always afford better. It’s one of the reasons to work hard to be rich.
“Of course, people of means will eventually find a way to pay for better service. There are already the beginnings of medical tourism for elective surgery. My crystal ball says that offshore medical clinic ships will become a reality. Medical care on those ships will be like gambling on a cruise ship, where the slots are turned on and the wheel starts to spin once the boat is 12 miles offshore.”
BOL! When Hilliarily/Willy care was being pushed. I made my living calling on Doctors, Hospitals, and clinics.
Several of my customers, and I came up with the concept of concierge medical offices where the docs received a yearly or monthly payment for a person’s outpatient health care. The docs would only accept cash and no insurance. Insurance was to be used for hospitalization and lab costs. The patient would be responsible for the paperwork. Those not wanting to do the paperwork would be referred an independent contract person getting about $50/hour to do the paper work and exceptions approved.
A couple of surgeons contacted me, and we came up with the idea of Surgery Cruises where the surgeons operated 12 miles off shore while their family members came along to take a cruise and be with their family member.
Fortunately, Hilliarily/Willy care was killed.
” I’m not sure—but one way would be to forbid doctors accepting insurance payments from having any sort of side contract for additional service.”
Our current concierge docs have nothing to do with Medicare or any health insurance you pay $2,000 up front or a monthly fee costing about 10% more. That cost is out of pocket and no one reimburses you.
I’ll never forget these 2 rich husband and wife lawyers my wife and I had dinner with a few years ago..
During dinner, in their lavish mansion in Beverly Hills, they brought up, in a rather condescending manner, how much they felt the “folks” needed Obamacare.. (meaning those at the table of less than desirable income)....tsk tsk dear, we really must take care of the poor... they are so needy..For these two smarmy condescending smirking power players, the poor are a couple like us with less than 125k in yearly income.. Mind you my wife and I work hard, and we enjoy life. We do however have a smaller house and less disposable income. Big fricking deal. And I don’t have any problem with people making tons of dough.. Good for them and god bless them. I just can’t take the condescending attitude that wealthy liberals have. I am reminded of the South Park episode in which one of the fathers is so smug about his new Toyota Prius.
It grates on me to this day...Meanwhile, this kind of healthcare does not in any way affect these rich liberals. If they need any type of healthcare whatsoever, they just pay for it.
Sheesh, I recall growing up in Ohio and when we needed healthcare, a doctor with a black bag showed up at our house. He had his penicillin and other drugs right in his bag. He would bill us and my parents of limited means, would pay him in installments.
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“Amazingly, one in five patients who enters a hospital emergency room leaves without ever seeing a doctor ? presumably because they get tired of waiting.”
Probably illegals, Medicaid, young people buying IPhones/PADs and Macs and not buying health insurance, all seeking free health care. So they weren’t really emergency patients.
We have heard of this Granny back in the Midwest with adult married children with kids on her and her husband’s side of the family. She is the on call granny when one of the grandkids get hurt or sick enough to go to an ER. She wears an ICE hat and jacket into a crowded er waiting room. Usually that clears out about 90+% of the waiting room. If the room is filled with the local white/brown/black trash drug seekers. She will bring her husband, who is a retired sheriff deputy wearing his sheriff’s ball cap and jacket.
Between the two of them, they empty the poseur patients and illegals from the er waiting rooms rapidly.
There will be snap back.
“It amuses me when otherwise conservative people think that “equality” can and should be mandated for some services that we pay for and consume, while other goods and services should have their prices set by the market. Government intervention strikes again by “we the people” and the puppet masters we elect...”
It is amazing how many wealthy people, both conservative and liberal feel that they should get the Cadillac health care and not pay for it. Many don’t even want to pay the copay and demand lengthy medial office time to get prior approval for a non formulary drug. Some of the worse are the business owners, who got a bare bones policy for their workers and want extra for themselves.
“It’s the communist way, comrade”
No it is not. The communist way is closer to the system we have now.
I will welcome a system where I can pay for the care I wish to receive, and everyone who wants it for “free” has to wait in line.
THAT is the American way. If you don’t pay, wait in line for whatever someone else is willing to pay for you to have care.
” If you really need that surgery, then pay up! “
What is wrong with that?
Secondly, payment of $1000-$2000/year for quality concierge medical care should not be an undue burden for most middle class Medicare recipients. I wager that monies spent on Netflix, cable, smart phones etc exceed this amount. Priorities, priorities.
I expect to be flamed.
“They will outlaw tier 2.”
That is how the Canadian system operates. We don’t want to emulate that. The UK and Australian systems allow for a private side to care, and a substandard “free” side to care.
CMS/Medicare already has regulations that hamper "concierge" medicine. Medicare will only pay for hospital or specialty services when referred by a participating Medicare provider. Thus, if you are of means and want to have your medical care be off of the grid, so to speak, you have to pay cash for all care. The answer may be the development of concierge hospitals that do a cash only business. Even that may be problematic as licensure of hospitals is tied into compliance with CMS/Medicare regs. As point out, tier 2 can be simply outlawed.
What is wrong with that?
The article misses the point. There won't be two tiers. There will be one crappy level of service mandated by law for everybody.
“I expect to be flamed. “
There is still quite a bit of socialism in many so-called conservatives.
They will be cured of that malady waiting in line for medical care that they will not be satisfied with.
Isn’t this happening now? There are those on Medicaid and those who have health care that they pay for or partially pay for with their employers.
“The article misses the point. There won’t be two tiers. There will be one crappy level of service mandated by law for everybody.”
I agree that will be the preferred method for bureaucrats, but they will not be able to suppress a second tier. Even if out-of-country, or black market - it will be available.
Yes, and then those same business owners who selected lower cost, higher deductible health plans scream about how high their deductibles are.
However, one must also admit that a lack of meaningful consumer price competition in USA healthcare has enabled an often wasteful and inefficient and over-price healthcare delivery “system” to develop and become entrenched. But, that, too, is rooted in governmental intervention for many years, causing great cumulative effect. Distortions caused by a “little” govt intervention often lead to an accelerating cycle of greater distortions followed by greater interventions to “fix” the problems while actually making them worse..., and so on. Sooner or later it breaks down unless it can be overhauled.
Concierge medical care may be a good choice for those who can afford it.
Several of our younger relatives and friends , with good jobs and incomes are looking at going to Concierge medical care to avoid hours in a doctor’s waiting room with the unwashed, illegal, gang bangers and others even lower in the Gene pool. Apparently, some conservative talk show hosts have said this is a good idea.
With any choice, use Buyer’s Beware. It might be best to try a few months versus paying for a for year. Two couples who opted for Concierge medical care had the opposite results. One couple found it harder to make appointments with their Concierge doctor than their old doc who had reduced his office time to two days a week. Their Concierge doctor never returned call and didn’t follow through. Fortunately, they had opted for the quarterly payment and left after a few weeks. It wasn’t a non refundable yearly payment.
The other couple love their new their Concierge doctors, staff and NFP for the docs, they still see their Concierge docs, and will renew their annual contracts.
Another possible option for basically healthy young people is to approach the Concierge doctors and offer them $150 cash for the setup visit and a $100/visit afterwards. We know healthy singles and couples who have been successful with this up front deal. They seldom need to see a doctor more than a few times a year.
I agree that will be the preferred method for bureaucrats, but they will not be able to suppress a second tier. Even if out-of-country, or black market - it will be available.
They can suppress a second tier with laws. A so-called second tier participant will become an outlaw.
Hillarycare would have banned private payments to doctors.
I think under Obamacare, somewhat affordable care will be available for those willing and able to travel outside the USA.
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